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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host uh we have an

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interesting show uh for you this evening

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it's about

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the it's called the penturk ufo incident

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i just found out how to pronounce that

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and uh

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it happened back in february 26 2016 and

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we have a

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first account witness uh kaz clark she's

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gonna be on

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in just a few minutes and it should be

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interesting so

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i uh

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i got to a hotel room at the last minute

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i didn't have internet so here we are

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we rescued the show for the evening uh

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the blog

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this week is uh i uh r-i-p

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mr ufo and that's about uh timothy

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timothy green

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beckley the whole story about that so

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check that out and that will be

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made into an audio blog as usual

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i am going to bring the guests in in

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just a second

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i will tell you there's uh because it's

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a hotel room there may be a little bit

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of background noise here

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but uh hopefully nothing major

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and i do want to say that uh um i do

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want to thank everyone that listens to

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the show and thank all

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that support the show i really

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appreciate it a lot i couldn't do it

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without you

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and uh i think that's enough talking for

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me i'm gonna bring in the guests now kaz

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welcome to the show

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hello and i appreciate that you

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actually are staying up rather late

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uh rather late to do the show with us

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thank you very much

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you're welcome it's it's very important

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that this word gets out so it doesn't

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matter if it was four o'clock in the

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morning

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now i'm wondering i haven't heard a lot

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about this i actually was contacted

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from someone that lives about 15 miles

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away from the incident a few years ago

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he told me about it

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and it's one you just don't hear too

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much about

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and then also another listener of the

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show is the one who

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uh suggested you as a guest and gave me

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your contact information

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and i owe him a thanks as well but uh

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why do you suppose it's

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you know we don't hear about it in the

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united states too much

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to be honest it's a pretty major

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there's been a massive cover-up from day

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one

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facebook have blocked it youtube have

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blocked it

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mine did a search on youtube

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just the other day to find out how many

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searches there had been

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for the penn turk ufo incident and it

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came back with a big fat zero

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and uh i know that a couple recently

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a documentary that's had over five

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hundred thousand hits in three weeks so

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i know that can't be true

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but uh the pentoc incident has been

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buried and it's the cover-up still

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continues even today

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uh because sorry

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no i'm sorry we have a little delay

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between us so it'll be a little

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tricky tonight um but um you even

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mentioned the link you put up for this

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taken down

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yes i put the link up on my personal

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and it was taken down not by me

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that's amazing really amazing and um you

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we sometimes hear about the idea of

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cover-ups but we never

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exactly know uh what's going on can you

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tell us some examples of what the

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oh my goodness that's a good question um

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other than the fact that people weren't

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able to find me

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after my initial comments under the

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so-called military exercise on wales

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online

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there'd been a ufo group called swan's

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ufo network that had tried to find me

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and for 18 months they could not find me

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and it wasn't because i wasn't on

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facebook

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it's just that every time they searched

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for me they couldn't find me

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um you know that the lies that have been

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uh the the military had been out here

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and personally threatened me and my

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family

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and that was where i decided that i

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would go forward

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um you know the only reason that the

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link was ever made

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between myself and swansea ufo network

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was because they'd put a blog up to say

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they were doing a sky watch

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on top of the garth mountain which is

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right next to where this

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incident happened and i said simply it's

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a good place to be

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and from there they were able to make

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contact with me

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um but before then it was like i didn't

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wow that's amazing now uh

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since we don't know too much about this

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i know the date of when it happened

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february

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26 2016 but why don't you start and tell

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the story from the beginning

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and how you actually were able to

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witness the whole thing

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okay we'll have to tell you a little bit

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about penn turk

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it's a beautiful village at the midway

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point of the mountain called the garth

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in south wales i'm surrounded by

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beautiful rolling countryside that ebbs

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and you can see in every direction and

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on a clear day possibly up to 30 miles

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and i was alerted to a small gray plane

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flying very low

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and very slow of my village on the 23rd

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of february 2016.

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um but i didn't really pay any attention

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because we've got

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raf st athen 14 miles away from us

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and we have military aircraft that fly

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over fairly regularly

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but they don't stay and it was wednesday

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the 24th that really

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attracted my attention to this aircraft

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because one of my neighbors had to come

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out of his house and he was cursing

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because this plane had kept him awake

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all night

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and it was then really we noticed its

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almost identical to the first one

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would come and take the first plane's

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place and the first plane would fly away

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circular flight pattern just over and

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restless night because

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every 15 minutes this very small great

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would fly over my house and we'd

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contacted the ministry of defense who

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didn't know anything

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didn't answer us we contacted our local

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mainstream news and they didn't know

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anything either

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uh thursday morning the plane was still

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again its partner plane which we know

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and it occurred to me it cost an awful

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lot of money to keep a plane up 24 hours

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because clearly by this point they were

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watching for something

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one of my neighbors david had decided

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that perhaps they were watching for

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russian planes

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and i know that sounds outrageous but it

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um that on the 18th of february that our

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royal air force had turned away two

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russian tu-120 bombers from our airspace

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fight or they were going to escort

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a foreign aircraft from our airspace

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but we never expected to see what

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happened and i certainly didn't believe

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in ufos before this happened

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uh it got to about two o'clock in the

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on the 26th of february friday the 26th

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and i was just about to go back into my

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house because we've been in the garden

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watching with them

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for hours when i heard what i thought

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and i ran to the back of my garden to

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see a huge plane fly over my house

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fairly low for such a large aircraft and

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had explained that is an e3 century

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now i had no idea what that meant at

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that time

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but i know now and the e3 sentry

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started to circle not small circles

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i say i estimated it took about five

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minutes to go around once but i actually

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think it was less time than that it was

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probably more like two minutes to go

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on the seventh time it went around one

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red light was visible high above the

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trees behind my house

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so david and i had called for one of our

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other neighbors who'd been watching with

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she'd gone into her house to make us all

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hot drinks

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but we'd run to the five bar gate that

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overlooks the farmland

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behind my house to get an obstructed

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view of what was going on

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and one red light turned into three red

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lights in a triangle formation

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coming in point first but on an oblique

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angle

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with a leading set of six lights on in

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the near side being brighter than the

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rest

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was a full sized pyramid

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turning very slowly anti-clockwise and

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as it did so

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came down in a pendulum motion

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this thing didn't come down from outer

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space this thing came through the space

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into this dimension it didn't decloak

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it emerged gradually like it came

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through a black veil

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or threw a fog into this world

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when it was in the upright position it

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fired a really bright

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green object out of the top like it had

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been fired out of a cannon

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and it skipped across to my left hand

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side and just stopped above the trees

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just rocking gently

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backwards and forwards and i couldn't

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tell you what shape it was it was so

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bright

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full moon that night

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the e3 century was still still above us

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by this time it was flying in an

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oval flight pattern above this pyramid

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the pyramid listed to the right-hand

287
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side still turning very slowly

288
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anti-clockwise

289
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and i stood on the far bar by sorry

290
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five-bar gate to get a better look

291
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through the bare trees

292
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fixated on the bottom of it for some

293
00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:27,120
reason like it and i said to david it's

294
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landing it's landing

295
00:11:32,949 --> 00:11:32,000
when in actual fact the land itself was

296
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coming up to meet

297
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it because that is the foot of the garth

298
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mountain

299
00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:39,120
and it ejected what i described as a

300
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hand of lightning

301
00:11:44,069 --> 00:11:43,279
but it wasn't thin lightning like we see

302
00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:44,079
here it was

303
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thick like fingers fire colored and all

304
00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:50,399
the lights on the outside of this ship

305
00:11:54,389 --> 00:11:53,440
went from taillight red to bright white

306
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orange

307
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and the lights on the right-hand side of

308
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the craft was still brighter than the

309
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rest like it was some kind of

310
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steering mechanism now whilst i was

311
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fixated on the bottom i couldn't see the

312
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top such was the size of it

313
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from 200 yards away and david had said

314
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he saw 15 or 20 he described as orbs

315
00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:14,959
come out of the top of this pyramid and

316
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i can sit here and tell you that i saw

317
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them but i genuinely didn't

318
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because i was fixated on it touching the

319
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ground

320
00:12:27,910 --> 00:12:25,920
and i heard two military aircraft coming

321
00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:27,920
from behind me and i looked up just to

322
00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:29,600
see them go over the top of me

323
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with two big c-17 aircraft flying

324
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wingtip to wingtip

325
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two big engines on each of their wings

326
00:12:42,389 --> 00:12:39,920
flying towards where this pyramid was

327
00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:42,399
when i uh two more aircraft came from my

328
00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:44,800
left-hand side there were two big c-130

329
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aircraft

330
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and they too turned and went back in

331
00:12:52,550 --> 00:12:50,480
behind the c-17s

332
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and this green object has skipped across

333
00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:54,480
the sky so quickly in front of these

334
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aircraft

335
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and fired three really bright strobes at

336
00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:00,320
them as if to get their attention

337
00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:04,000
and got excited somehow i couldn't see

338
00:13:07,509 --> 00:13:05,519
the pyramid at this point i don't know

339
00:13:09,190 --> 00:13:07,519
if it's gone back where it came from or

340
00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:09,200
if it just switched his lights off but

341
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this green object

342
00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:13,360
drew those four aircraft away and it was

343
00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:14,240
so bright

344
00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:16,560
it bathed all of these aircraft in green

345
00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:18,000
light you could see all the outlines of

346
00:13:23,829 --> 00:13:20,000
their engines and the fuselages

347
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the e3 sentry was still above us

348
00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:25,600
and i watched it until i couldn't see it

349
00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:28,880
anymore the e3 century that was here

350
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,560
was a nato plane we have its town number

351
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:36,160
once the green object had gone out of

352
00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:40,079
sight i was still standing on the gate

353
00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:43,839
and two red barrel shaped objects

354
00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:47,040
about the size of a small car came from

355
00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:48,240
my right hand side

356
00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:51,760
across the fields towards us one

357
00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:53,519
moved across in front of me and stopped

358
00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:55,279
above the hedge

359
00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,480
maybe 20 feet away maybe 20 feet up if

360
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,560
that

361
00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:02,639
and i stared at it just for a few

362
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:04,000
seconds

363
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,720
because i wanted the details i wanted to

364
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:08,639
see

365
00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:12,480
like white noise on a tv screen but it

366
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:13,360
was

367
00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:20,720
and then i looked to see where the

368
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,959
second one was and that hadn't stopped

369
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,480
and by that time that came right over

370
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:26,399
the top of us right above the oak tree

371
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:27,680
next to me

372
00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:29,040
and the only thing i could think to do

373
00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:31,279
was to wave with all the military

374
00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:33,360
activity that was going on that night

375
00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:37,040
i didn't want us to appear to be hostile

376
00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:39,040
and it changed color from tell like red

377
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:41,279
to traffic light green

378
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:43,600
and i i felt it scanned me it was the

379
00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:45,839
only thing i couldn't be tested for

380
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:48,639
on my polygraph tests because it was a

381
00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:49,600
feeling

382
00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:53,199
rather than a fact and i felt like

383
00:14:56,949 --> 00:14:54,880
someone had reached in and took the fear

384
00:15:00,710 --> 00:14:56,959
away from me

385
00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:03,110
i had an angelic feeling i've ever felt

386
00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:05,519
in my life

387
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:08,880
uh and this green object then moved away

388
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:11,600
to my right hand side above the rooftops

389
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,519
and the red object that had remained

390
00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:16,079
sentry the whole time moved to my left

391
00:15:19,269 --> 00:15:17,279
hand side

392
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,279
and low across the fields and i watched

393
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:22,079
it until i couldn't see it anymore

394
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:23,839
david and i have walked down to what we

395
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:25,279
call the second gate

396
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:26,800
the entrance to the field with his

397
00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:28,560
pyramid had come across

398
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:30,880
because he said he saw 15 or 20 of these

399
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:31,680
objects

400
00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:34,399
to see if they were anymore and the e3

401
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:35,680
century above us

402
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:38,079
followed us and what i mean by that is

403
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:38,720
it was

404
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:41,519
flying in this oval flight pattern and

405
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:43,680
as we moved so did that oval flight

406
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:45,440
pattern move with us

407
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,759
and when we walked back it came back

408
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,519
with us

409
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,600
when we got down to the gate our phones

410
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:53,440
didn't work

411
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,800
and i don't know if that had something

412
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:56,800
to do with the e3 sentry

413
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:59,600
or these barrel shaped objects that were

414
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:00,240
emitting

415
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:03,120
extremely high emf and we know this only

416
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,880
from the investigation that's been done

417
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:06,480
since

418
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,600
david's phone was fried completely um

419
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:11,440
mine was completely flat and i knew it

420
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:14,160
wasn't before we went out there

421
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,000
and to be quite honest with you i didn't

422
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:18,160
think about even filming that thing

423
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,160
until the barrels started coming towards

424
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,079
me and that's when i reached my

425
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:25,040
phone before that time i i just stood in

426
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:26,320
shock and awe

427
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:29,440
of what i was seeing we walked down to

428
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:30,720
the second gate

429
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:32,800
we couldn't see anything it was slippery

430
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:33,920
it was february it was the middle of

431
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:34,720
winter

432
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:37,600
we didn't have a torch between us and

433
00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:39,279
the ground was uneven

434
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:41,120
so we'd walk back to the first gate

435
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,279
where we'd observed all of this

436
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:45,279
and we saw three apache helicopters

437
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:48,079
coming low across the fields one above

438
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:48,959
two

439
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:51,199
with their slow red pulsing lights going

440
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,040
out in front of them

441
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,839
in and on an interception course if you

442
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,440
like with where the green object had

443
00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,759
gone before

444
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:01,360
we felt like we were only at the gate

445
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:04,000
for maybe 10 minutes and that includes

446
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,760
walking down to the first gate and back

447
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,679
again

448
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,039
when we ran around the front of the

449
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:10,799
houses to see if we could see further up

450
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:11,919
the valley

451
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:14,799
to see if we could see the helicopters

452
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,839
by the time we got there they'd already

453
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:18,319
gone

454
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:21,760
we were back to my house we were polar

455
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:22,559
opposites

456
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:26,000
to each other i was energized i had to

457
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,600
tell someone anyone that would know what

458
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:29,440
to do with this information

459
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,039
and david was the complete opposite

460
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,600
fear rigid with fear talking through

461
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,280
gritted teeth

462
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:39,440
and it felt quite surreal for me that

463
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,799
the only thing that was left in the air

464
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:42,640
was the e3 century

465
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:45,840
like did this really just happen we came

466
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,720
back to my house and we had a hot drink

467
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:50,400
i don't think we actually spoke to each

468
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:53,840
other and david went home

469
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:56,720
i went to my bed not that i could sleep

470
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,600
and i heard

471
00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:00,080
an enormous explosion come from

472
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:01,360
translucent

473
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:03,919
which is about five miles away from me i

474
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:05,039
mean this was a

475
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,000
boom this was not a little pop this was

476
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,240
a huge explosion

477
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:12,400
and we now know that explosion measured

478
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:13,760
on the richter scale

479
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:17,039
40 miles away in monmouth and i knew in

480
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,240
my heart

481
00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:20,160
that the apache helicopters had shut it

482
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,440
down

483
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,200
but proving it was where the

484
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,120
investigation came in

485
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,880
and now we can prove that's exactly what

486
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:28,480
they did

487
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:32,480
they shot it over to untrust and common

488
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:34,960
the troops there did a meticulous metal

489
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:37,200
search to pick up parts of the

490
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,000
rocket that they used to shoot it with

491
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,760
to incapacitate it because it didn't

492
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:42,640
actually come

493
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:46,000
straight down and it crashed into smylog

494
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:47,360
woods which are the

495
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:49,360
a large wooded hill that rises behind

496
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:52,160
the rock and morgan hospital

497
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:55,200
the same morning but later we'd gone out

498
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,080
to the field

499
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,679
where the pyramid where this hand of

500
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,320
lightning had come out of the pyramid

501
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,240
i expected to see burn marks on the

502
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,480
ground but there weren't any

503
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:07,039
but there were some strange anomalies

504
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:09,039
all the plant life was dead

505
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,720
or the bushes or the grass like

506
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,799
something had sucked all the chlorophyll

507
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,000
out of them

508
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:16,320
and it was snowing just in that one

509
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:17,280
field

510
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,720
the whole perimeter

511
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,720
of the surrounding fields and it wasn't

512
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,640
snowing and i remember

513
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,880
being like quite a child and standing on

514
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:28,080
the edge of the field

515
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,679
and watching the snow fall in front of

516
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:31,280
me but not on

517
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:35,280
me you come back to my house

518
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:38,960
wells online our local news outlet

519
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,760
had posted that military helicopters

520
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,160
have kept people awake because it was

521
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,400
a military exercise called exercise

522
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:48,080
chameleon

523
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,520
well i didn't know you weren't supposed

524
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,280
to talk about ufos

525
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,960
and i immediately placed a comment

526
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,480
underneath to say

527
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,400
i can categorically assure you that was

528
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,840
no exercise

529
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,679
what i saw last night will stay with me

530
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:01,200
for the rest of my life and what they

531
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:02,240
were chasing

532
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,440
were not planes and i had a couple of

533
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,520
what you call debunkers

534
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,200
one of them called themselves the

535
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,799
smoking man

536
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,039
and one of them called themselves agent

537
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,400
fox mulder

538
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,240
because they really do like their play

539
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,679
on words

540
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,720
they used fake facebook profiles so

541
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:23,280
these people were military personnel

542
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,679
at ground level from the off

543
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,600
uh one of them said oh you know laugh

544
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,440
out loud a good one

545
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,280
and because i like a bit of sarcasm i

546
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,799
was like well yes it was good actually i

547
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,320
said you may have shut chased and shot

548
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,919
down the green object

549
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,440
but you left all the others here didn't

550
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,520
you

551
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,919
anyway other people had started to make

552
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,679
comments

553
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:47,760
as we now know there were over 20

554
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:50,640
military helicopter gunships in the air

555
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:53,840
they had c-17 c-130s they had

556
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,840
two e3 sentries they had fast jets

557
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,000
puma helicopters lynx helicopters

558
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:01,520
chinook helicopters

559
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:05,120
and all at the same time this was not an

560
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,240
exercise

561
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,039
and over a residential area in the early

562
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,080
hours of the morning

563
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,679
some people had said about the

564
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,360
helicopters circling over

565
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,840
clanches and common and that was really

566
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:19,039
my start point

567
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,480
because i wanted to know what had

568
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,159
happened to the green object

569
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,360
i wanted to find the impact crater so

570
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:26,960
we'd gone out the same day

571
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,640
the same morning toothless in common

572
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,880
and all of the metal that have been on

573
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,640
the common for years

574
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,720
have been neatly stacked up along the

575
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,240
roadside

576
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:41,200
old bikes bit of old car you know fridge

577
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,240
over there

578
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,559
there had clearly been a meticulous

579
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,880
metal search on the common

580
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,480
when we asked the ministry of defense

581
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,080
why they did this

582
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,320
they claimed section 26 not in the

583
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,720
public interest

584
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,039
well i spoke to two dog walkers that

585
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,000
morning

586
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,360
after the night before

587
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,919
if they'd seen or heard anything and

588
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,440
they explained where the chinooks had

589
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,760
landed where the troops were

590
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,000
and where the second explosion had come

591
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,440
from the first

592
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,480
explosion was in the air and the second

593
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,480
one sounded like it had come from smile

594
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,240
of woods

595
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,880
so we immediately went to smilog woods

596
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,400
because i wanted to find the impact

597
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,679
crater

598
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,919
and it wasn't long before we found the

599
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,760
debut trail

600
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,559
60-foot trees have been snapped

601
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,240
mid-trunk

602
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:35,360
as far as the eye could see

603
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,000
60-foot trees these trees had exploded

604
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,679
um we followed the david trail so far

605
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,520
and then i because it was hard going

606
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,360
getting through the woods i said to my

607
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,799
friend who was with me

608
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,000
we'll have to go back and tell the

609
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,200
others what we'd find because

610
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,880
and a plan was hatched to go up the very

611
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:56,240
next morning which is the morning of the

612
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,000
27th

613
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,240
to take cameras with us and follow the

614
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,240
debris trail through to its end

615
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,919
and find the impact crater which is what

616
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,919
we did

617
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,200
um whatever had happened turned my hair

618
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,240
white completely white

619
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,520
overnight and i don't know if that was

620
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:16,880
the shock

621
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,840
it's actually in the crash site video uh

622
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,960
you can see my hair

623
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,880
in the crash site video i'm i'm a little

624
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,000
bit you know

625
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,720
salt and pepper but i'm not completely

626
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:27,919
white and

627
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,480
i was which was a little bit of a shock

628
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,520
the next morning i have to say

629
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,600
so the next day we've gone up there all

630
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,960
of us with cameras

631
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,960
and we followed the day bridge trail

632
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,720
through to its end and the cleanup had

633
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,240
already started

634
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,080
some of the larger branches that had

635
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,240
been had been moved

636
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:48,880
and dragged into huge piles already so

637
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,919
they'd already started to clean this up

638
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,320
and when we got through to the end there

639
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,559
were six enormous trees

640
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,039
that had been snapped 20 feet in the air

641
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,039
mid trunk

642
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,520
and burn marks and scrape marks on all

643
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:05,840
the surrounding trees

644
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,600
and the burn marks were white not black

645
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,799
and a really pungent smell like

646
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,880
burning rubber or a cross between

647
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:16,000
fireworks and a

648
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,559
and burning rubber it was bizarre

649
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,360
anyway there were scrape marks with the

650
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,039
with living wood that had curled

651
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,520
outwards towards you like something big

652
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,279
and heavy had been dragged up against

653
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,360
these trees

654
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,360
we now know there were three chinook

655
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,960
helicopters

656
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,960
going backwards and forwards from saint

657
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,240
athon

658
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,279
two smilog woods over and over again

659
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,080
this time escorted by two apache

660
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,440
helicopters

661
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,760
because one had to do an emergency

662
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,799
landing at cardiff international airport

663
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,840
with its cockpit on fire

664
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,640
one of our best gunships and we believe

665
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:58,960
that was the apache that fired the shot

666
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,559
and was caught in the kinetic wave

667
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,039
the mod told us that it was a fake

668
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,799
incendiary device was

669
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,760
the reason for this explosion but the

670
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,240
kinetic wave was so great

671
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,159
it shook patients awake in their

672
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,919
hospital beds

673
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,159
it shook the royal glamorgan hospital

674
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,880
down to its foundations

675
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:23,279
the smoke was so dense falling from the

676
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,159
air

677
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,720
it resembled a foggy night it came

678
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,000
through the windows and through the

679
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,159
vents and filled the hospital corridors

680
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,600
with smoke

681
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:34,400
not a little bit of smoke this was smoke

682
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,230
people were shaken awake in their beds

683
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,240
in their homes

684
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,000
all the car alarms were set off in the

685
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:46,799
streets all the streets

686
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,159
the police closed all the roads and part

687
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,080
of the m4 motorway was the equivalent of

688
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,520
one of your large highways

689
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,480
over there and when we asked the police

690
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:57,840
why they did this

691
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,799
via freedom of information request the

692
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,080
first uh

693
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,600
answer that we got was that it was a

694
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:05,520
vexatious request

695
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,240
worrisome to people and we're asking

696
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,000
about road closures that happened

697
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,159
years ago and they're telling us it's

698
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,159
worrisome so we asked for an internal

699
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:15,760
review

700
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:19,360
and three years later the answer they

701
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,080
gave us

702
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,120
was that they couldn't find anybody

703
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:25,840
sorry any evidence of the incident or

704
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,880
any evidence of road closures

705
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,679
the police officers involved have since

706
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,919
left the organization

707
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,679
if there was no incident how did they

708
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,880
know who was involved

709
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,159
so the police themselves just give

710
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,919
really stupid answers

711
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,679
the ministry of defense have slipped up

712
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,520
multiple times

713
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:49,840
um which what they what they're now

714
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
calling as mistakes

715
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,120
when we asked about the planes that were

716
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,960
here for three days and three nights and

717
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,720
the e3 century

718
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,919
uh prior to the incident they told us

719
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,640
that they held

720
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,240
no information within the scope of our

721
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:05,840
request there was no no

722
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,200
tamps and no exercises listed for those

723
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,960
aircraft

724
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:13,679
two years and eight months later we get

725
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:14,080
a

726
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,720
not in the public interest well shortly

727
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,919
after the event

728
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,240
we had some strange men and women come

729
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:26,720
and camp in the fields here in pentok

730
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:30,320
it's never happened before all since

731
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,080
and i only actually knew they were there

732
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,159
because my local pen took her

733
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,000
because other residents been told

734
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,679
different stories as to who these people

735
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,279
were

736
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,640
a fracking survey team

737
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,200
which did not go and well in the village

738
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,320
others were told

739
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,880
that they were vodafone uh a mobile

740
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,559
phone network

741
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,440
and that kind of tweaked my curiosity

742
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,799
and i wanted to go over and see what

743
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,600
they were doing

744
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,120
but i didn't want to go on my own so a

745
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,039
friend has come with me

746
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,799
and i've taken my small dog with me

747
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,399
under the guise of taking my dog for a

748
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,440
walk

749
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,600
and as i approached the gate the same

750
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,080
gate that where we viewed everything

751
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,919
there were two soldiers walking towards

752
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,320
us they were wearing full digital

753
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,679
camouflage

754
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,320
and they were carrying real guns with

755
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,600
live ammunition

756
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,200
there were no yellow caps in the end of

757
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,360
the guns implying they were carrying

758
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:22,960
blanks

759
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,600
and one of them said to me in a very

760
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,440
middle-class english accent

761
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,320
almost eaten educated and we're doing a

762
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,240
military exercise in case of an

763
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,919
emergency situation

764
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,600
if you see anything funny going on in

765
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,200
the fields

766
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,679
okay you need guns for that do you yes

767
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,600
with the answer

768
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,840
so we'd walk past them and down the

769
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,799
trail and i turned

770
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,240
left into the field where they were

771
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,919
camped because they were camped behind

772
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,799
the trees

773
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,320
and i couldn't actually see them from my

774
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,120
house and initially i started to walk

775
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:54,720
around the perimeter of the field and i

776
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,440
thought

777
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,480
no i want to get closer so we cut across

778
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,559
the field and this huge dog

779
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,039
has run out of one of the tents towards

780
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,799
me and i've asked my friend to pick my

781
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,840
dog up

782
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,840
because i didn't want her to get bitten

783
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,840
i now know it to be some kind of pit

784
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,679
bull type of dog

785
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,760
and i could see two men in one of the

786
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,960
tents

787
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,799
and one was standing and one was seated

788
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,039
and i remember shouting to them saying

789
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:21,039
put your dog on a lead this is nearly

790
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,399
lambing season

791
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,000
the farmer's got a shotgun and he's not

792
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,960
afraid to use it

793
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,640
well with that somebody answered me and

794
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,200
said what well that was my in

795
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,559
so i walked up straight through the

796
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,840
middle of their camp and i took

797
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,919
photographs of their camp

798
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,000
and their camp was in perfect straight

799
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,840
lines every string was in a perfect

800
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,960
straight line

801
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,240
and i've always said you can take the

802
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,840
man out of the army but you can't take

803
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,159
the army out of the man

804
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,840
and i've walked round to the tent where

805
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,440
this guy one guy was seated

806
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,399
operating quite a large laptop type

807
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,399
device but it wasn't a laptop

808
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,120
it was in a steel case and he had to use

809
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,600
two hands to close the lid of it

810
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,000
and they really didn't like being

811
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,240
watched or asked what they were doing

812
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,640
so i asked who they were and they told

813
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,320
me they were vodafone doing

814
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,120
field research so within 10 minutes i've

815
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,880
been told two different stories

816
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:15,120
they're either doing a military exercise

817
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,020
or their vodafone

818
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:17,919
[Music]

819
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,799
so i'd gone back to my house and donna

820
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,640
one of my other neighbors had said

821
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,080
have you seen what they're doing down in

822
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,399
the field and i said well no we only

823
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:28,880
went round to where the campsite was

824
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:31,600
so she'd gone back out and they were

825
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,159
doing

826
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,039
a fingertip search of the field where

827
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,480
the pyramid first

828
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:39,440
came in on their hands and knees wearing

829
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:39,840
white

830
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,039
forensic suits and they too

831
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,159
had one of those laptop-type devices

832
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,559
they also had one on the jeep at the end

833
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,679
of the trail

834
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,600
with big tarpaulins up so you couldn't

835
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,440
see what they were doing

836
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,000
and they didn't like to be watched if

837
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,760
anybody approached them or got

838
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,679
close they would all stand up and stare

839
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,000
at you until you were out of sight like

840
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,000
and i described it like a weird

841
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,880
cult 60s movie it was a really spooky

842
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,000
thing

843
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,840
uh you couldn't ask them any questions

844
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,279
they weren't interested in

845
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,200
answering you you know they'd always

846
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,640
look around to make sure that there's

847
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,120
nothing in your sight

848
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,159
they stayed for a week uh

849
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,559
later that same night we decided that we

850
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:23,360
would go out

851
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,640
and skywatch and i saw

852
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,240
one of the guys that was in the tent

853
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,919
earlier he was the guy that was standing

854
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,120
up with the dog

855
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,880
and he was snapping these night lights

856
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,120
and putting them around the campsite

857
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,559
and i didn't know where the rest of the

858
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,159
crew were

859
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,919
whether they were out being debriefed

860
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,519
somewhere

861
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,440
uh and he saw us and he came over to ask

862
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,120
what we were doing

863
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,039
and i said well we're sky watching are

864
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,240
you here because of the ufo

865
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,919
and he said oh no no no we don't know

866
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:53,679
anything about that talking about

867
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,399
himself

868
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:57,440
in the plural but i found it odd that he

869
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,720
didn't ask any questions about it either

870
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,200
so i asked him what they were doing down

871
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,799
in the field wearing white forensic

872
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,559
suits and he said oh we were looking for

873
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,760
mines

874
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,240
and i said do you send civilians wearing

875
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:12,080
paper suits to look for mines

876
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
i said because that's a sure way to find

877
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,279
them

878
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,919
um anyway with that he told us that he

879
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,519
was security for the camp

880
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,039
and the rest of the group had come back

881
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,399
so he'd open the gate and let them in

882
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,320
and they'd all gone back to the campsite

883
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,399
together and then he came back a few

884
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:29,760
minutes later and said

885
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,640
will you be here for long and i said

886
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,640
well we will be here for as long as the

887
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,559
sky is clear really

888
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,159
and he said well my commanding officer

889
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,080
is not going to like that

890
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,519
so i looked at my friends and i said i

891
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:43,200
didn't know vodafone i had a commanding

892
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,399
officer he said well he's going to want

893
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,320
to speak to you i said fine

894
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,919
so he went back to the camp to get his

895
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,840
commanding officer

896
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,080
and what i didn't realize at the time

897
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,679
and i do now

898
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,519
was that i had post-traumatic stress

899
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,120
from this incident

900
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,320
and my emotions were very erratic and i

901
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,559
would go from zero to a hundred you know

902
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,080
immediately

903
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:07,279
and he came out this quite stocky

904
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,720
angry man you're trespassing

905
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:13,200
i went no you know that's a public

906
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,320
footpath

907
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,080
he said have you got permission to be

908
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,159
here i said i don't need permission to

909
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,760
be here.

910
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,559
um and then he pointed to the public

911
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:23,360
footpath

912
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,600
said are you joking that's like

913
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,399
12 feet away i said the only thing the

914
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,399
country code desires me to do

915
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,960
is take my rubbish home and i think

916
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:36,559
there was some conversation along the

917
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:37,519
lines of

918
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,200
have you got identification and

919
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,159
i blew i just remember saying to him

920
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,000
about the fascist war movies and how

921
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:47,440
they come on the trains and ask you for

922
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:47,919
your

923
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,600
show you anything

924
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,360
and then i shouted this in his face i

925
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,120
can't believe i did it

926
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,039
that we fought two world wars without

927
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,640
the right to be free

928
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,320
and as long as i'm not breaking the law

929
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,480
or hurting anybody i've got a goddamn

930
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,000
right to be here

931
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,320
and he stood there and said i just i

932
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,399
admire your passion he was quite

933
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,480
taken back that somebody had shouted

934
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,560
back at him

935
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,119
but i said before it's like something's

936
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:17,440
been lost along the way

937
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:20,800
like they serve us and now the civilians

938
00:34:25,850 --> 00:34:24,079
are the ones that are in the way

939
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,860
and that's sad that that's wrong

940
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:27,119
[Music]

941
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,409
anyway he went back to his camp

942
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,720
[Music]

943
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,599
if he was like a small child i think

944
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,599
that been told off

945
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,960
and we could only stay there for about

946
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,040
half an hour after that because

947
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,599
the rain came and we went back to my

948
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,720
house

949
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:44,240
but you could hear them shouting out in

950
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,440
the middle of the night whatever they

951
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,800
were doing over there

952
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,399
we think they were triangulating the

953
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,200
satellite now into that area

954
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:54,320
but we don't know that for sure but with

955
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,440
three of those

956
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,359
objects i would suggest that that's what

957
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,560
they were doing some form of

958
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,880
triangulation

959
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:03,040
there's a lot more evidence since then

960
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,079
that we found

961
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:06,400
when swansea ufo network and in

962
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,520
particular

963
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,119
gary jones who's been the lead

964
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:11,040
investigator into this case

965
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,119
got involved 18 months after the event

966
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,800
the emf and radiation found in those two

967
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:19,520
fields

968
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,800
just where the pyramid was was so

969
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:24,480
high it was the equivalent of being

970
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,910
the team themselves became very ill from

971
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,400
being in those fields

972
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,640
nausea and headaches was the biggest

973
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:39,119
thing dizziness disorientation and skin

974
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:39,839
burning

975
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:45,599
radiation sickness

976
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,400
the emf trail runs for over a thousand

977
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,000
feet

978
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,720
and 18 months after the event was still

979
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,520
harmful

980
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,880
to human beings we do actually have a

981
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,000
nuclear scientist

982
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,640
involved now to check the geiger counter

983
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,240
readings

984
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,119
um and we've also sent the results to

985
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,560
switzerland

986
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:09,839
to again check the readings to make sure

987
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,760
the scientific evidence proves

988
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,720
that we had some kind of nuclear event

989
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,599
in that field

990
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:20,800
more specifically in the ball patch

991
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:25,440
because the decaying radiation

992
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,680
is 103.5 days exactly

993
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:32,720
which is the scale in which radiation

994
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,920
decays so we can now with the

995
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,440
geiger counter readings that they took

996
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:39,520
18 months after the event

997
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,440
calculate how high it was on the day

998
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,240
so there are a lot of scientific

999
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,599
evidence

1000
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,240
we've had two new witnesses come forward

1001
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:51,760
with photographs

1002
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:55,440
that are date-timed and stamped for 2 33

1003
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,400
am

1004
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,520
on the 26th of february 2016 of the

1005
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,240
objects the military were chasing

1006
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:04,079
and people asked me if i think they were

1007
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:05,599
hostile

1008
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,320
david and i wouldn't be here

1009
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,000
two because their military aircraft

1010
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,920
wouldn't be here either

1011
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,680
but that these things were seen to try

1012
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,200
and hide

1013
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,320
and they ran for their lives when they

1014
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,520
were pursued

1015
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,320
they ran and tried to hide and that's

1016
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,790
well i i have a few questions for you

1017
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,400
first of all thank you for that account

1018
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,599
i feel like

1019
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,760
i i almost feel like i'm listening to an

1020
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,760
audio book it was

1021
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:38,880
the story was so well done um

1022
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,760
thank you for that um some questions

1023
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:42,960
that come to mind

1024
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,240
first of all how many people populate

1025
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,520
the general area

1026
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,640
of penn turk about 900

1027
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,640
but this happened right on the outskirts

1028
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,000
of pentuk

1029
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,640
in the farmland uh going towards

1030
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,760
flanderson

1031
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,680
and it was really more the surrounding

1032
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,800
villages

1033
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,320
that would have had more noise because

1034
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,800
those things were completely silent

1035
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,880
and we only had like i said the e3

1036
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,240
century and then the

1037
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,800
the two c-17s and c-130s that just flew

1038
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:11,839
over

1039
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,280
but more penta more clandestine

1040
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,520
and the surrounding villages would have

1041
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,000
had all the noise from their helicopters

1042
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:23,440
their houses shaking um and they're the

1043
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,920
ones

1044
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,000
that know a lot more because that was

1045
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:27,839
the noisy end if you like

1046
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,839
to more than the people in the village

1047
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,079
here

1048
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,400
i i totally get how you said your hair

1049
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,920
turned white overnight

1050
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:38,640
um yeah does sound like severe stress

1051
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,440
and

1052
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,200
at some point did you think it was the

1053
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,040
end of the world i mean that's

1054
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,800
uh when you were describing that i mean

1055
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,320
it just had been must have been so

1056
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,760
fantastical

1057
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,200
to witness i mean what was your

1058
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,480
what was your fault i was saddened

1059
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,040
by what had happened because no hand of

1060
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,880
friendship was extended

1061
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,839
no attempt to communicate whatsoever

1062
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,760
they'd set an ambush for this thing they

1063
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,200
knew it was coming

1064
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,200
and they pursued it and shut it down

1065
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,800
without mercy

1066
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,720
and how do you think they knew it this

1067
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,240
is bizarre because you

1068
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,640
have no idea yeah you said it seemed

1069
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,240
like it appeared from like another

1070
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,599
dimension or something

1071
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,480
and it also made me wonder why if they

1072
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,320
were shooting at it or whatever

1073
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,000
whatever they were doing why it didn't

1074
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,760
also disappear

1075
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,480
um the way it came in you know to avoid

1076
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,599
that

1077
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:32,640
yeah the pyramid did it came in

1078
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,079
jettisoned i believe a decoy and the 15

1079
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,240
or 20 other objects and then went back

1080
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,839
the way it came

1081
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,160
i said the objects that came out of it

1082
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,560
were these barrel shaped objects

1083
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:47,119
david described them as dancing with

1084
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:48,480
each other

1085
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,839
um the green object that was first

1086
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,760
ejected the really bright one

1087
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,560
i think was a deliberate decoy you know

1088
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,839
it deliberately got the plane's

1089
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,760
attention and then got really excited

1090
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,599
that our planes were following it

1091
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:04,240
as if to draw the aircraft away from the

1092
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,200
main craft

1093
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,240
and the the load that it jettisoned

1094
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,880
but the barrel-shaped objects were not

1095
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:11,599
hostile

1096
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,200
at all and you know we've had three

1097
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:17,040
remote viewers on this case and the

1098
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:18,640
biggest thing they pick up on

1099
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,319
is fear from them you know they tried to

1100
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,319
hide from their helicopters

1101
00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:26,160
if they were hostile wouldn't they have

1102
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,540
shut them down

1103
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,079
[Music]

1104
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,520
right there's been a lot of people that

1105
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,599
have said you know one of the reasons

1106
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,280
you know they're speculating but one of

1107
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,480
the reasons

1108
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,480
why whoever it is is not showing

1109
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:40,319
themselves as because they know how

1110
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,359
hostile

1111
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,880
we've been i mean look at the 20th

1112
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,880
century we we killed more people in the

1113
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,640
20th century than

1114
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:49,760
all all other centuries you know

1115
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,200
that we know of um and a very violent

1116
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,040
society very tribal

1117
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,920
and um if anyone's paying attention they

1118
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:58,640
would

1119
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,079
themselves

1120
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:05,119
uh to a hostile uh you know people like

1121
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,240
we are

1122
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,240
right which is why i don't believe for a

1123
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:10,079
moment that the pyramid was cloaked in

1124
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,880
any way

1125
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,480
because if it was cloaked why didn't it

1126
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,160
stay cloaked and if it was cloaked

1127
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,079
surely it could have been anywhere

1128
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,839
but the military knew that it was coming

1129
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,560
here and we have three ley lines that

1130
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,920
cross here

1131
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,040
and with some research done by the team

1132
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,640
it appears that some of the biggest

1133
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,560
sightings of ufos

1134
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:30,880
across the world have happened where

1135
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,839
these ley lines

1136
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,440
are um i

1137
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,440
i was extremely saddened by what had

1138
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,280
happened that night

1139
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,560
because and i i've always said this that

1140
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,400
the military are not typical

1141
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:47,119
of human beings their interest is in

1142
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,079
weaponry

1143
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,359
and technology and somebody said to me

1144
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,400
well my son's a member of the military

1145
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,560
um and he's a human being i said yes but

1146
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,319
he's part of the machine

1147
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,839
and you follow orders you don't question

1148
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,160
them

1149
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,960
love and compassion is a huge part of

1150
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,960
what makes us human

1151
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,960
and what right do we have to tie them

1152
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,200
all with the same brush

1153
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,880
because i don't want to be represented

1154
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,880
that way what if they come back with

1155
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,560
their gunships

1156
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:18,480
where does that leave us when we're not

1157
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,760
even supposed to know they exist

1158
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,920
that's that's a really good point and

1159
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,839
how many other witnesses

1160
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,839
have been as vocal as you have been on

1161
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,280
this

1162
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,079
okay david has been known to talk about

1163
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,839
it privately

1164
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,920
but he won't come out publicly and speak

1165
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,440
about it

1166
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,560
um because he too received threats in

1167
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,560
fact they gestured towards his small

1168
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,760
child

1169
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:45,599
and said wasn't he worried about what

1170
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,040
was going to happen to his kid

1171
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,680
they threatened me with perhaps a fatal

1172
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,800
car accident

1173
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:55,920
that extended to my family

1174
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,040
that's why i went public now can you can

1175
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,079
you elaborate on that

1176
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,599
yes um i was contacted on my facebook

1177
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,640
page

1178
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,560
which i have been by many other people

1179
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:10,000
that have wanted that have had an

1180
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,040
interest

1181
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,760
in the case and they wanted to come out

1182
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:15,839
and view where this has happened

1183
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,280
and experience perhaps the high emf that

1184
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,920
up until recently this year anyway still

1185
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:23,839
existed

1186
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:26,960
and this man who had been on

1187
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,160
facebook who'd been a member of

1188
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,200
practically every ufo group on facebook

1189
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,000
had contacted me saying that he had an

1190
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,520
interest in the case and would i meet

1191
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,960
him

1192
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,960
and i contacted the administrators for

1193
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,720
most of these pages and asked

1194
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,599
did anybody know him and they said no

1195
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:47,760
but he was a member of their group

1196
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,520
and had been for 18 months

1197
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,200
the exact time that i'd remain silent

1198
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,240
so i agreed to meet with him and

1199
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,520
initially

1200
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,640
i was describing what had happened

1201
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:05,920
to him and he wasn't trying to

1202
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,040
envisage he was remembering

1203
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:11,760
this man was part of whatever happened

1204
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,270
i took him out to the ball patch i

1205
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,359
wasn't on my own fortunately

1206
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,880
and i handed him an emf detector

1207
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,440
and someone who would genuinely had an

1208
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,119
interest in the case

1209
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,520
would have been eyes on the the emf

1210
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:31,440
detector waiting for the alarms to go

1211
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,560
off

1212
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,480
but he kind of swung it by his side and

1213
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,520
was disinterested

1214
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,880
and he stood in the ball patch and

1215
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,720
looked across to the field

1216
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,359
where the pyramid had first come in and

1217
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,560
asked me what it was i wanted

1218
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,200
which i thought was a strange question

1219
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,800
and i said i didn't want anything for

1220
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,640
myself

1221
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,480
i said i'm on borrowed time anyway

1222
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,800
because for a while

1223
00:45:02,790 --> 00:44:59,119
i became very ill with what had happened

1224
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,150
i said it doesn't really matter what

1225
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,000
happens to me i said my word will still

1226
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,520
stand anyway

1227
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,760
and he said well what do you mean and i

1228
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,800
said well i've taken

1229
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,359
three polygraph tests and passed them

1230
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,400
all

1231
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,319
with the leading forensic polygraphic

1232
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:18,720
sound examiner in the country

1233
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,760
and miss carrie austin who's not only

1234
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,599
the leading forensic polygraph examiner

1235
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,200
but also the designer

1236
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,480
for the pre-test for polygraphs she's

1237
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,079
the best um

1238
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:35,440
as we walked back to the gate

1239
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,510
and he chested up to david

1240
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,319
and gestured to his child and said

1241
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,520
aren't you worried about what's going to

1242
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,839
happen to your kid

1243
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,760
and immediately david left the area and

1244
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:53,520
i wasn't quite sure

1245
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,359
that had just happened but he said to me

1246
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,440
don't you know he said five people were

1247
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:01,040
killed in a car accident recently he

1248
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,000
said

1249
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,720
accidents happen all the time aren't you

1250
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:06,000
worried about what's going to happen to

1251
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,040
you

1252
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:13,270
but it was more the way it was said

1253
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,079
rather than

1254
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,520
what was said and it was definitely a

1255
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,520
threat

1256
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:22,319
and that was when i decided that's

1257
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,800
enough

1258
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,520
i'd stayed silent for too long and if

1259
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:28,160
something had happened to me then no one

1260
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:28,960
would know

1261
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,920
what really happened that night and

1262
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,720
that's when i decided to speak up

1263
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,240
because i believe this has the most

1264
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,480
profound implications for us all

1265
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,520
this if this was just a ufo sighting

1266
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,960
i probably wouldn't have said anything

1267
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,640
at all

1268
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,119
those things were innocent and they shut

1269
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:49,520
them down anyway

1270
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,390
now has you mentioned david but are

1271
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:57,680
there other people that

1272
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,599
have witnessed this as well i mean

1273
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,280
i mean with all the work that's going on

1274
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,960
with all the planes and everything

1275
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,880
overhead for a couple of days it seems

1276
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,040
like there would be

1277
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:12,160
yes we have a witness in betis in

1278
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,119
bridgend

1279
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,040
that saw the green objects the cluster

1280
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,720
of green objects being pursued by

1281
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,359
military jets in the helicopters

1282
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,359
we have a witness in tom pentra that saw

1283
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,880
the green object being pursued by the

1284
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:25,359
helicopters back down the valley

1285
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,960
we've had two witnesses come forward now

1286
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,400
um that not only saw the green object

1287
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,400
bouncing around they described described

1288
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,720
like tigger off winnie the pooh

1289
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,359
trying to find somewhere to hide from

1290
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:41,040
the helicopters

1291
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,670
but also took photographs of these

1292
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,520
objects

1293
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,200
that the military were pursuing that

1294
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,319
night and have made statements

1295
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,240
in before that the photographs have not

1296
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,760
been made public

1297
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,599
i was hoping to make be able to make

1298
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,079
them public on your show tonight

1299
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,200
but it is part of a team decision that

1300
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,760
these photographs will be released

1301
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,000
and certainly will be presented to the

1302
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,520
senate because

1303
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,760
i'm not a keyboard warrior i'm in the

1304
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,760
real world and i want a public inquiry

1305
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,800
into this

1306
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,960
because what the military did that night

1307
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,559
was illegal

1308
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,599
and unjust you know if there is a

1309
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:26,800
conflict going on

1310
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,760
and clearly there is only a government

1311
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,839
with the power to declare a war

1312
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:34,480
has the right to declare a war in our

1313
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,280
country

1314
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,680
the queen has a royal prerogative to

1315
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,640
start a war

1316
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:41,359
if she so wished but even then it's

1317
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,559
publicly debated in parliament

1318
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,200
the military defense talk quite often

1319
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,079
about a public interest test

1320
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,640
but if they want a public interest test

1321
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,319
let's have a public vote

1322
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,800
on disclosure in this country because

1323
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,040
this involves us all

1324
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,720
and those things were innocent we're

1325
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,319
having it sold to us

1326
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,880
that ufos are hostile they were not

1327
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,000
hostile

1328
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:08,640
they were afraid and they ran for their

1329
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,520
lives

1330
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,640
and we shot them down anyway that's

1331
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,680
awful

1332
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,319
i don't want to be represented that way

1333
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,160
at all

1334
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,960
yeah yeah um we're going into break in

1335
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,359
about

1336
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,640
five minutes or so but i wanted to uh

1337
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,800
i wanted to post this question up for

1338
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,040
you to see and someone wanted to know

1339
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,599
uh can you go over her latest footage i

1340
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,040
don't know what that is

1341
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,079
this person obviously knows um you have

1342
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,200
some you have some footage

1343
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,760
i have footage of the crash site and

1344
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,319
that's not

1345
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,760
latest footage um i see it was taken on

1346
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,400
the 27th of february 2016 when we went

1347
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,079
up to the crash site

1348
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,680
yeah where you can see all the broken

1349
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:54,000
trees you can see my white hair

1350
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:58,640
um but no question

1351
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,319
um are you going there still

1352
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,160
i mean are you looking have you gone

1353
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,510
i live here this is in my backyard

1354
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,760
so how far away from where you live is

1355
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:15,760
this was this site actually

1356
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:19,680
mile miles or so well the gate is about

1357
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,480
30 seconds away from my house

1358
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,319
um where this pyramid came in was about

1359
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:26,880
200 yards away from me

1360
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,400
um in the very next field to me

1361
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,280
so i viewed it from 200 yards away but

1362
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,520
this thing was enormous

1363
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,400
um i'm trying to think of the footage

1364
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,520
that he's talking about

1365
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,440
yep uh maybe it's something you read or

1366
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:46,240
something i don't i'm not really sure

1367
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:49,920
but um so what i'm

1368
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,200
i'm getting at i mean has

1369
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,520
anyone you said you had a ufo research

1370
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,880
you mentioned his name

1371
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:59,520
um has anyone gone to the site to try i

1372
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,000
mean

1373
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,200
can you go there physically without

1374
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:06,319
being told to go away first of all and

1375
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,200
then

1376
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:10,640
has anyone tried to look for actual

1377
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,829
um to be honest with you i don't know

1378
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,920
anything about ufos i didn't know about

1379
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,720
emf

1380
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,720
i didn't know about radiation i didn't

1381
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,760
know that

1382
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:26,880
it was like some kind of fingerprint um

1383
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,079
that these crafts seem to leave behind

1384
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:32,480
i don't know if there's any debris we've

1385
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,119
had

1386
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,839
some paranormal groups get involved and

1387
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,839
i have to be open-minded now with what

1388
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,680
i've seen

1389
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,280
and challenged everything i thought i

1390
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,040
believed and they did

1391
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,400
what they call a spirit box or something

1392
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,200
and it was a group called paranormal now

1393
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,119
led by a guy called richard oliver who's

1394
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:53,599
done this for about 20 years

1395
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,040
and it talked about that our air agents

1396
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,599
are listening there and how one of them

1397
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:01,680
perished in the crash

1398
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,119
and this was unprompted this just came

1399
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,119
came through i was i was blown away by

1400
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,160
it

1401
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,119
um we could talk about uh the excuse

1402
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,040
that the forestry commission about

1403
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,440
why they fell the trees that might be

1404
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,119
the footage that the gentleman

1405
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,359
or lady is talking about but i don't

1406
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,119
know if we have sufficient time

1407
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,599
in this half to do that because it is

1408
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,119
quite lengthy

1409
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:27,520
um but we've actually proved that

1410
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,880
they've lied on two freedom of

1411
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,880
information requests as to why they fell

1412
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,079
the trees

1413
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,599
which is interesting it is and um

1414
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,440
you know just we just have three minutes

1415
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,640
left here and

1416
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,319
until we go into break that when

1417
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,079
can you just give a couple of examples

1418
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,400
enough that three minutes will allow

1419
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:49,760
of other ways that you've been

1420
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,800
stymied and this is a more or less

1421
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,640
what makes you think this is a cover-up

1422
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:56,160
i know you mentioned some things in the

1423
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,119
beginning

1424
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,520
but um this is kind of an ongoing thing

1425
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:01,040
for you right

1426
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:05,839
yes yes um well when my name was blocked

1427
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,480
uh the penn turk instant is very hard to

1428
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,960
find considering how many hits it's had

1429
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,359
in the last three weeks a friend of mine

1430
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:15,040
did some research on youtube and

1431
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,079
recently

1432
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,400
to see how many hits there had been on

1433
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,559
the pentoc ufo incident

1434
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:23,119
and it came back with a big fat zero

1435
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,680
which is

1436
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,920
absolutely untrue as there has been a

1437
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:27,599
short documentary done

1438
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,390
and that video has had over 500 000 hits

1439
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:36,000
in three weeks

1440
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,440
so half a million at least and yet the

1441
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,040
penn turk incident

1442
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,520
doesn't come up at all you have to dig

1443
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:44,800
really deep

1444
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,240
to find any information on it at all

1445
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:51,520
um and that is evidence of the cover-up

1446
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:54,880
by google by youtube by facebook by bit

1447
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:55,520
shoot

1448
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:01,520
and yet if you put the pentoc ufo

1449
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,400
incident

1450
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:05,200
on bit shoot in the search bar nothing

1451
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:06,480
comes up

1452
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,599
nothing this is a systematic cover-up

1453
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,880
of the truth amazing

1454
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,480
well all right thank you we're going to

1455
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,920
be going into break

1456
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,760
and for those of you at youtube i'm

1457
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:19,760
going to play a clip of

1458
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,760
when i had a chat with uh story musgrave

1459
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,079
so thank you we'll be right back right

1460
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:27,359
after these

1461
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:33,990
[Music]

1462
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,040
hmm it's not working um and i tried it

1463
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:42,079
okay uh let's see what's going on with

1464
00:54:45,490 --> 00:54:50,829
[Music]

1465
00:54:50,839 --> 00:54:58,150
yep

1466
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:05,190
[Music]

1467
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:07,589
this is just a short clip i recorded

1468
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,480
with seth

1469
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,440
shawstack the other night october 22nd

1470
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,880
2019

1471
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:15,200
and he mentioned that story musgrave the

1472
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,319
astronaut

1473
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,119
uh claimed that he had heard aliens and

1474
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,559
the muffin fans

1475
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,079
so i just wanted to set this straight

1476
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,640
because um he said it twice on my show

1477
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:27,680
uh two different shows so i thought i'd

1478
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,640
share this clip right here of me uh

1479
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:31,520
telling this to

1480
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,799
story musgrave himself and his reaction

1481
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,839
here it is the little flying muskrat in

1482
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,920
the narrow experiences that i've had

1483
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,520
i don't have any evidence we've been

1484
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,000
visited here not to say it hasn't

1485
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,680
happened

1486
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:48,079
um do you mind i'm going to play a quick

1487
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,040
clip um

1488
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,319
i had a ufo debate with uh dr

1489
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,960
seth shostak from the seti and uh he

1490
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:56,640
mentions your name and i'd like to play

1491
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,280
this quick

1492
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,480
clip and then i'd like to have your

1493
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,559
opinion after it it's less than a minute

1494
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:02,400
so i'm going to play it right now

1495
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,079
okay so you wouldn't consider witnesses

1496
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,079
so many witnesses say for instance

1497
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,079
astronaut gordon cooper

1498
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,720
and former governor fight symington and

1499
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,920
people like that

1500
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,520
what would you say about them being as

1501
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,760
observers oh well i don't think that

1502
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,040
they're professional observers

1503
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,960
i mean it's it's not that i'm impugning

1504
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,880
their integrity i've talked with a lot

1505
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,720
of the astronauts edgar mitchell and

1506
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,240
gene cernan and all these guys

1507
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,000
you know and if you talk to them about

1508
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,760
these things to begin with usually it's

1509
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:31,280
second hand they haven't actually seen

1510
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,319
these things themselves

1511
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,760
they heard somebody else talk about it

1512
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:35,040
but even if they have seen them

1513
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,839
themselves

1514
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,200
you know story muskraves thought he

1515
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:38,880
heard the aliens and the muffin fans in

1516
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,599
the uh

1517
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,079
in the space shuttle okay i i don't

1518
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,520
think he's lying i don't think he's

1519
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,280
making something up

1520
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,799
but i don't consider that very good

1521
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,480
evidence and in fact anybody who's in

1522
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,000
forensics will tell you that witness

1523
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,760
testimony is about the poorest kind of

1524
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:52,880
evidence there is

1525
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,559
particularly in science so i just ran

1526
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,359
that clip and

1527
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,520
what do you have to say to his uh

1528
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,359
comment

1529
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,119
well i don't know where he's getting it

1530
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,119
from i certainly didn't

1531
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,400
hear any aliens in the fans

1532
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,760
so i don't know where that's coming from

1533
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:13,680
what i did comment on

1534
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,000
is the fans the particular fans

1535
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:21,119
caused a reverberation in the hearing

1536
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,720
system in me

1537
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,119
right that's it thanks for listening and

1538
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,880
make sure you check out our live shows

1539
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:28,079
we live stream

1540
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:31,680
every tuesday at 6 to 8 p.m

1541
00:57:43,950 --> 00:58:00,789
[Music]

1542
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,030
in three two one go

1543
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,760
all right welcome back uh this is martin

1544
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,280
willis and my guest tonight

1545
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,240
is kaz clark and we're talking about the

1546
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:13,280
pen turk

1547
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,960
ufo it's spelled pen trick but it's uh

1548
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:17,920
with a

1549
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:21,280
it's pen turk and

1550
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:24,880
here comes cass welcome back kaz

1551
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,319
hi hi so um

1552
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,799
i'm going to take a look and uh and chat

1553
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,680
as and

1554
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,559
because i had a lot of people um were

1555
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:36,960
posting early on and

1556
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,000
um do you uh someone just commented they

1557
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,520
think it's one of the biggest

1558
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,480
cover-ups but um after this happened to

1559
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,000
you did you start looking

1560
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,839
you said you know you had nothing to do

1561
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,240
with ufos and i totally get that this

1562
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:52,000
experience kind of threw itself

1563
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,470
and kind of changed your life i would

1564
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,040
not no it changed your life

1565
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,480
and uh what what would you say um to

1566
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,960
other things that have happened like we

1567
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,599
mentioned

1568
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:09,760
you know grendelsham force that comes up

1569
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,640
a lot

1570
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,559
what do you think about that case have

1571
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:14,160
you looked at the others is what i'm

1572
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:14,640
getting

1573
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,480
really

1574
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,079
looked at any other ufo cases um i think

1575
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:24,079
the world famous one for me would be

1576
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,520
roswell

1577
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,920
um yeah and i think that was a real

1578
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,440
event

1579
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,240
um you know this certainly was with the

1580
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,760
the cover-up that's gone on with the

1581
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:35,280
lying in the freedom of information

1582
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,640
requests you know it didn't even get

1583
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,559
into why the trees were fouled in smile

1584
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,520
of woods

1585
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,520
and i think somebody in the comments did

1586
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:43,440
actually ask about that

1587
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,200
um but no i haven't really looked at any

1588
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,520
other ufo cases

1589
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,920
because i'm not a ufologist and i'm

1590
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:52,880
still not

1591
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,599
but i believe and i still and i feel

1592
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,359
responsible not only for

1593
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,319
us but also for them for what we did to

1594
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:01,599
them because

1595
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,880
it was cruel absolutely cruel

1596
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,680
they they didn't attack anyone they were

1597
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,880
not hostile

1598
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,720
as the military or the governments are

1599
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,640
trying to portray them to be

1600
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,480
i i believe we would be foolish to

1601
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,880
believe or life forms are benign

1602
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,400
is the same as we'd be foolish to

1603
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,240
believe that we are alone

1604
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,079
um you know we've been told about more

1605
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,000
earth-like planets in the last two years

1606
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:25,280
than we've been told about in our

1607
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,240
lifetime

1608
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,480
how earth-like do they have to be to

1609
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,160
sustain life

1610
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,960
and whatever these things were i didn't

1611
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:33,680
see

1612
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,880
any funny-looking aliens these craft

1613
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:37,920
themselves

1614
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:41,880
were alive they were the essence of life

1615
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,119
encapsulated in these these

1616
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,960
barrel-shaped objects they were

1617
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,319
intelligent

1618
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:51,359
and they had feelings

1619
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,319
what right did we have they didn't do

1620
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:56,799
anything to anyone

1621
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:00,799
that's horrific i have heard um on

1622
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,839
probably about three or four times since

1623
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:05,760
i've been doing this show of people

1624
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:09,359
describing a craft as thinking that it

1625
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,680
was

1626
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:12,000
alive you're not the first one who's

1627
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,040
i've heard

1628
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:16,079
mentioned this before and uh

1629
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:19,440
one of them you know claims that um

1630
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:22,559
she could feel like emotion or something

1631
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:23,280
from this

1632
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,520
craft and the whole thing felt like it

1633
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:27,359
was uh

1634
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,799
you know like i don't want to say

1635
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:32,559
breathing but she could feel that it was

1636
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,599
alive

1637
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,240
which is which is pretty pretty hard to

1638
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:38,240
wrap your mind around do you think

1639
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:38,720
that's

1640
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,839
an extremely spiritual feeling like i

1641
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,359
said before like someone had reached in

1642
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:45,040
and took the fear away from me it was

1643
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:46,000
like

1644
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,240
you're actually not the first

1645
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,760
you're not the first one that has said

1646
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,599
that either um

1647
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,559
jack um trying to think of jack warner

1648
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,000
from

1649
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,640
the uh allagash incident that happened

1650
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,160
in the state of maine back in the night

1651
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:08,240
late 1970s

1652
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,760
he was saying that that was the feeling

1653
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:13,839
that he actually got

1654
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,480
he told us in an interview of my friend

1655
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:19,119
alejandro rojas interviewed him

1656
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,799
i didn't get a chance to speak with him

1657
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,559
directly just his brother

1658
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:25,200
but he said that it he felt like it was

1659
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:26,240
the most purest

1660
01:02:34,170 --> 01:02:29,920
love that he could ever imagine

1661
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:34,180
which is harder again to wrap your mind

1662
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,520
[Music]

1663
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,720
that you could feel this from

1664
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:41,200
whatever the experience is that's

1665
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,069
someone to know are you still having

1666
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,559
experiences at home any i don't know

1667
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:50,559
are you having any type of experiences

1668
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,549
not from the same craft but we do have

1669
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:57,599
objects that

1670
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,200
fly in and out here quite regularly

1671
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,280
if you've never seen a ufo i think this

1672
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:05,119
is the place to be

1673
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:10,950
but by smaller individual craft as

1674
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,039
opposed to

1675
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:15,680
magnificent majestic pyramids that can

1676
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,079
fly

1677
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,960
in jettison smaller craft i never

1678
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:20,720
expected that

1679
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,160
that um certainly changed and challenged

1680
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,119
everything i thought i knew and believed

1681
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,480
at that point i bet i bet

1682
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,599
and you mentioned that this this pyramid

1683
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,440
it came out there were some lights that

1684
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,280
were brighter on one side or

1685
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,359
maybe it was a side closer to you or

1686
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:40,960
something like that

1687
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:43,839
and and it kind of rose up it didn't go

1688
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:44,640
in a

1689
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,440
think it would

1690
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:51,599
be in for like traveling a lot of people

1691
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:52,720
have said

1692
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:56,799
things like they've seen triangle ufos

1693
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:01,599
travel backwards or sideways or whatever

1694
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,720
we think is aerodynamic the opposite is

1695
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,640
that kind of what was going on it just

1696
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,119
it it just kind of traveled in that move

1697
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:11,280
in that manner

1698
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,880
this was three-sided

1699
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,119
the leading edge that was closest to me

1700
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,720
as it came in

1701
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,319
were brighter than all the other lights

1702
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:23,359
i had red lights all the way around it

1703
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,839
um turning very slowly anti-clockwise

1704
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:26,880
and then went

1705
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,160
back so i could then see two edges of it

1706
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:33,200
so i know it was three-sided

1707
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,319
uh and then it just i switched its

1708
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,000
lights off i don't know if it was still

1709
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,599
there or

1710
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,680
and i just couldn't see it or if it had

1711
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:42,960
gone back the way

1712
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,920
that it had come but the emf trail and

1713
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:47,039
the radiation

1714
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:50,319
starts at a point and finishes at a

1715
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,280
point

1716
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,559
and nowhere else nowhere else

1717
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,640
so that can only be the answer that it

1718
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:57,839
came in

1719
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:01,119
jettisoned its load and went again

1720
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:06,240
you know i don't know about aerodynamics

1721
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:09,520
it certainly defies anything that we

1722
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:23,349
and what about um how close would you

1723
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:30,390
from the pyramid about 200 yards away

1724
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,230
i can't hear martin at all

1725
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:43,589
pretty close and

1726
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:57,270
i'm sorry can you repeat the question

1727
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,069
i can't hear

1728
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:07,029
well having trouble with

1729
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:10,069
i think what i'll do

1730
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,109
until we can get back to you there oh

1731
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,069
i think i am here

1732
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,799
um are you maybe having some issues

1733
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,400
martin

1734
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,039
because there are a lot of people why is

1735
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:28,880
it my side

1736
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,000
yes it's your end uh martin so you may

1737
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,760
want to leave the stream and then come

1738
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:35,920
back

1739
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,119
um guys what what do you say to what's

1740
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,720
wrong you know

1741
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,559
yeah you're in a hotel room so i can't

1742
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,839
imagine

1743
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,760
what do you say to about to to all the

1744
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:47,119
people that um

1745
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,000
the naysayers um that try to come up

1746
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:51,599
with a rational explanation of what

1747
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,240
occurred

1748
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,359
on on that evening i wish there was a

1749
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,119
rational explanation

1750
01:07:01,510 --> 01:07:00,160
i'm not here to convince anyone i'm here

1751
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:01,520
to inform you

1752
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:04,559
this happened and this was real

1753
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,079
you know i can't convince someone if

1754
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,599
they don't want to believe

1755
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,760
that's the point just please look at the

1756
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:13,039
evidence

1757
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,799
you know from the lies that the ministry

1758
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,160
of defense have told

1759
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,480
the lies that the police have told the

1760
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:24,480
lies that the forestry commission have

1761
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,440
told

1762
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,839
over and over again on multiple freedom

1763
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:29,599
of information requests

1764
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:32,079
why are they lying if there is some

1765
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,119
nothing happened

1766
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,799
you know why are they searching the

1767
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:36,160
field to pentuke

1768
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,440
on their hands and knees wearing

1769
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,000
forensic suits if nothing happened

1770
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:41,920
why did they come in camp here with

1771
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,039
armed guards

1772
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,079
if nothing happened ask yourself this

1773
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:47,760
when we asked the ministry of defense

1774
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,559
why did they lie about who they were

1775
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,280
they didn't say they didn't lie they

1776
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,280
said section 26

1777
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,039
which means that this was a covert

1778
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,760
operation and if this was covert

1779
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,319
this means this was a real situation and

1780
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:03,920
not an exercise

1781
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,640
no exercise was ever listed no plans

1782
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,520
were ever made

1783
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,119
no permission was ever given for these

1784
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,119
people to be in the fields

1785
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:13,200
when we asked the ministry defense who

1786
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,240
were these people

1787
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,239
they said they had no information within

1788
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,759
the scope of our request

1789
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,520
when we asked them what they were doing

1790
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:21,440
we were told section 26 not in the

1791
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,799
public interest

1792
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,400
only the military can hide behind

1793
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,799
section 26 so why were they here and

1794
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,759
what were they doing

1795
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,839
there's one reason because of what

1796
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,000
happened here was real

1797
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:34,400
you know if god forbid somebody was

1798
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,520
having operation

1799
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,440
in the hospital that night because the

1800
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,279
whole hospital shook

1801
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,359
you know what they did was illegal they

1802
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,279
would never do an exercise

1803
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:46,000
over a residential area for fear of an

1804
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:47,920
accident

1805
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:50,560
for no other reason they have their own

1806
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,199
land

1807
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:53,520
40 miles away in sunny bridge if they

1808
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,199
want to go and blow themselves up

1809
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:56,960
they are welcome to do so it's their

1810
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,679
land if they want to use live ammunition

1811
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:01,199
but they would never use it over a

1812
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:04,480
residential area but they did that night

1813
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,080
they did that sorry

1814
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,239
i apologize uh martin if i can i just

1815
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,520
have one more question if

1816
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:14,000
possible yeah yeah absolutely did you

1817
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:15,440
ever put in a request

1818
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,480
for any of um the radar

1819
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,880
indicators of that evening uh to see if

1820
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,040
anything was captured

1821
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,480
during this event well we have all the

1822
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:28,239
radar returns from all of the planes

1823
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:29,600
that were involved that night

1824
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,719
including zed 418 callsign snake 48 that

1825
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,000
was here for three days and three

1826
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,640
nights along with its partner plane that

1827
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,679
left this area

1828
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,920
and then at the time of the explosion

1829
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:42,000
was circling smylog woods and not just

1830
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:42,560
anywhere

1831
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,430
we know they took something back from

1832
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,359
the woods to saint athan

1833
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:54,400
the emf readings and radiation in smilog

1834
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:54,800
woods

1835
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,679
at the crash site are huge oh were huge

1836
01:10:02,790 --> 01:09:59,120
i should say

1837
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,800
up until last year anyway um

1838
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,480
you know what what other reason would

1839
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,320
there be for an apache helicopter to

1840
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,159
have to do an emergency landing

1841
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,320
at cardiff international airport a

1842
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:11,760
civilian airport

1843
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:14,880
where st athen is only 14 miles away

1844
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:17,199
so you know they couldn't go the extra

1845
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,320
length to st

1846
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,719
athen they had to land at cardiff

1847
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,719
international airport

1848
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:26,080
um with his cockpit on fire um

1849
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,000
you know the welsh extremism

1850
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,679
counterterrorism unit

1851
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,080
telephone the hospital happens for in

1852
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,159
the morning just after the explosion

1853
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,840
to tell them that their services were

1854
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:38,159
not required they also telephoned the

1855
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:39,920
royal mint and told them

1856
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:42,960
that this was an exercise but it wasn't

1857
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,760
nobody knew

1858
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:46,239
anything local government didn't know

1859
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:46,960
anything

1860
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,000
if this was an exercise everybody would

1861
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:56,239
have known local news didn't know

1862
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:57,199
anything

1863
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,360
fact

1864
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,280
great rest of the show

1865
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:08,480
i'm out of here thank you i appreciate

1866
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:08,800
you

1867
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,880
if this internet's gonna quit again here

1868
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:15,280
we're gonna take calls soon oh that's

1869
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:16,640
right and uh yeah

1870
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:19,600
in about 20 minutes um here's a question

1871
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,159
someone

1872
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,239
says why are you not asking about

1873
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,000
independence

1874
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,360
and the independent evidence they they

1875
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,960
were asking me why i was not asking you

1876
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:30,880
so i'm letting them ask you

1877
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,910
what evidence you want i mean um you

1878
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,400
know swansea ufo network our independent

1879
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,040
gary jones is independent you know we've

1880
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,199
now got scientists involved to look at

1881
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,719
the radiation readings they're

1882
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,199
independent and there's two of those

1883
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,560
uh one in the usa and one in switzerland

1884
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,199
to analyze the radiation they're

1885
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:56,640
independent

1886
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,800
you know um i i don't know

1887
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,800
what other evidence i can talk about you

1888
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:04,640
know the trees that were failed in

1889
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,400
smaller woods we were told had large

1890
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,080
disease and they were supposed to do

1891
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,560
a sanitized felling which they never did

1892
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,480
they left everything there

1893
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,480
so we asked them why they didn't do a

1894
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,640
sanitized spelling and they told us that

1895
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:18,719
they were time the time constraints for

1896
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,640
this replanting didn't apply

1897
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,560
to that forest but it does for the rest

1898
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,199
of wales it does for the rest of the uk

1899
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,960
it does for the rest of europe just not

1900
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:28,560
that forest because they replanted it

1901
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,159
within a year

1902
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:32,320
uh they were told that they were served

1903
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:34,000
with a plant health notice

1904
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,920
and they were told that they had large

1905
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:38,239
disease well they felt them in december

1906
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:39,199
in january

1907
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,880
december 2016 and january 2017

1908
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,560
and if they were indeed infected with

1909
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:46,000
large disease they shouldn't have failed

1910
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,640
them until

1911
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:48,560
june after june the 30th because there's

1912
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:49,679
no way to tell

1913
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,400
those trees had larch disease without

1914
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,000
the leaves on them

1915
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,560
um so they said that they were served

1916
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,480
with a plant health notice

1917
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,239
so we went back to the management

1918
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,199
strategy meetings for the last decade

1919
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,080
and there has never been a plant health

1920
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,840
notice served on small log woods in the

1921
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,120
last decade

1922
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,840
so they lied twice on a freedom of

1923
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,199
information request

1924
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,840
why are these people lying why is the

1925
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,080
ministry of defense lying

1926
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,239
on about seven different occasions now

1927
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,840
we've caught them out contradicting

1928
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,280
themselves

1929
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,480
why if nothing happened you know i'm as

1930
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,640
i say i'm not here to convince people

1931
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,239
please look at the evidence it's

1932
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,040
independent i am just a witness

1933
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,520
i'm the one that that came out publicly

1934
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:37,280
and spoke about this but there are other

1935
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,320
witnesses

1936
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,280
i'm not the only witness but i am

1937
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:42,800
carrying the flag for this because i

1938
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:45,520
think we have a right to know

1939
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,440
right um do you think you will ever

1940
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:51,280
get somewhere on this i mean are you

1941
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,640
optimistic

1942
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:55,040
that if you speak enough about it and

1943
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:56,400
and get out there and

1944
01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:59,920
stir it up a little bit that you will um

1945
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:02,239
have some forward motion

1946
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:05,199
well i hope so i am not a keyboard

1947
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:05,920
warrior

1948
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,159
i won't sit behind a keyboard and just

1949
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,760
talk about this

1950
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,239
i'm doing something in the real world we

1951
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:14,239
are going to the welsh senate the welsh

1952
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:15,440
government

1953
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:18,560
to ask for a public inquiry

1954
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,520
about that night because even if you

1955
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,040
were to take the ufo

1956
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:25,600
out of the situation what the military

1957
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:26,719
did that night

1958
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:29,840
was illegal period

1959
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:32,960
so we want a public inquiry into that

1960
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,920
i'm also going to ask for a public vote

1961
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:37,600
but the evidence that is now

1962
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:41,600
mounting is huge the scientific evidence

1963
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,000
that is

1964
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,800
mounting proves something happened in

1965
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:46,239
those fields

1966
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,640
beyond any doubt something happened

1967
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,880
the evidence that we have of the

1968
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,480
photographs of the

1969
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:56,400
objects that the military were pursuing

1970
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,440
that night in this so-called exercise

1971
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,840
will all be presented to the government

1972
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:03,840
to the welsh government

1973
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,040
because this happened on welsh soil

1974
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:08,800
and as much as the welsh government are

1975
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:11,760
answerable to westminster and london

1976
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,880
they're not entirely answerable

1977
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,520
and we want to get to the bottom of this

1978
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:19,280
you know there will be a petition going

1979
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:19,679
out

1980
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,600
i i want and i can't really discuss

1981
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,440
what that petition will be about right

1982
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,440
now because we're still waiting

1983
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,960
for certain freedom of information

1984
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,800
requests to come back from south wales

1985
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,840
police

1986
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:34,239
and it took them three years the last

1987
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:35,120
time

1988
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:36,960
so i have a meeting with a senate member

1989
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,199
on the 17th of this month

1990
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,120
to go to the senate to present the

1991
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,960
evidence including the photographs and

1992
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,360
the witness testimonies to this case

1993
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:48,239
to prove beyond any doubt this was not a

1994
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:49,679
military exercise

1995
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:52,719
and what they did was illegal and unjust

1996
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:55,920
and it affects us all every single

1997
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:57,840
it affects you and your families me and

1998
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:00,480
my families our children their children

1999
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:03,440
you know our future as a planet what

2000
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:04,640
have they done

2001
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,880
isn't there time to stop all of this

2002
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,560
you know we need to be able to put right

2003
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,080
what the military have done they've had

2004
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:13,920
car blanche on this for the last

2005
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:17,199
60 or 70 years and if that's the only

2006
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,159
contact that if

2007
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,719
they've had with human beings what does

2008
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:22,320
that make us

2009
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,280
this is so wrong and it needs to stop

2010
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,880
and we need to be told

2011
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:29,280
where we stand so if there are hostile

2012
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:30,560
ones out there people don't put

2013
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,280
themselves

2014
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:33,280
in danger so that we might know the

2015
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,640
difference

2016
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:36,719
because we're not alone and we never

2017
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,669
well yes i i i think you're probably

2018
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:44,719
right about that

2019
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:48,320
um that part of it and as far as

2020
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,960
you know the people that are i guess i

2021
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,800
want to say helping you there it

2022
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,159
sounds to me like you have a lot of

2023
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,239
people that are helping you

2024
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,719
you know present this you mentioned yeah

2025
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:00,640
um what you're going to be doing so you

2026
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,080
have some people behind you

2027
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,360
actually having yes there are a team of

2028
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,199
investigators now

2029
01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:09,120
seems to be growing with other

2030
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,880
professionals which is what

2031
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,480
what we really need because they're the

2032
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:14,560
ones with the credentials to be able to

2033
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:15,520
analyze

2034
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,840
everything that's been found here you

2035
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,080
know we've been to the home office

2036
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,080
um i'm not joking about this i'm

2037
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,920
absolutely serious

2038
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:25,920
that i will take this as far as i can

2039
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:28,239
take it you know i will go to the senate

2040
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:29,520
i will go to government

2041
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,719
in westminster i will have uh

2042
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:35,280
you know a member of parliament raise

2043
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,400
this question

2044
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,560
in parliament and it won't be laughed up

2045
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,640
because this is serious

2046
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,239
and we'll have the evidence by then to

2047
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:44,320
back it all up here we have it now

2048
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,679
if people want to trawl through the

2049
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:47,679
hundreds of freedom of information

2050
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,320
requests

2051
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,800
all of the lies and contradictions from

2052
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,159
the ministry of defense

2053
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,800
and they they seem to be backfilling you

2054
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,600
know um

2055
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:58,239
they're following the investigation very

2056
01:18:02,310 --> 01:17:59,600
closely

2057
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,320
uh and they say things now like mr jones

2058
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:03,760
shouldn't have been sent that that was a

2059
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,400
mistake

2060
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,800
you know well they've made about seven

2061
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,560
or eight mistakes so far

2062
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,640
and they're trying to backfill and

2063
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,080
change their answers to

2064
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:14,480
fit their narrative as it goes along

2065
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,400
this is five years down the line now

2066
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:18,719
and it's only just starting to leak out

2067
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,270
now let's talk about the explosions

2068
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:27,760
how you said that it was registered on

2069
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:28,960
the richter scale

2070
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:31,199
40 miles away or so something like that

2071
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,000
yeah um

2072
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,480
yeah that must i mean the explosions

2073
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:35,440
themselves

2074
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,800
it seems to me would have like everyone

2075
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:40,800
that hurt

2076
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:42,960
get involved and make a call and what's

2077
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,280
going on and it just seems like right

2078
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:47,360
that would really cause an uproar right

2079
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:48,800
there in itself

2080
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:52,320
um so what what about that

2081
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,640
where a lot of people like trying to ask

2082
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,239
questions

2083
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:58,000
a lot of people were very scared they

2084
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,360
didn't know what was going on they

2085
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:00,960
called the police

2086
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,280
um our local non-emergency police number

2087
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:06,880
is 101

2088
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,560
and hundreds of people called the police

2089
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,040
worried that something was going on were

2090
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,880
scared for their livestock because their

2091
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,960
livestock were being worried

2092
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,280
um by all the military helicopters by

2093
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:21,600
the signs of the explosions

2094
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:24,480
you know by their houses shaking

2095
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:25,199
hundreds

2096
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,480
of people called the police we've asked

2097
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,000
for some of those phone calls to be

2098
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:32,159
released to us and they released a

2099
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:33,679
handful to us

2100
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:36,640
even though hundreds of people called in

2101
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,600
um

2102
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,520
so yes there were there was a lot of

2103
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,360
concern about what was going on that

2104
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,040
night

2105
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:46,159
yeah i think it's really strange you

2106
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:47,520
know you talk

2107
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,270
saying that oh this went

2108
01:20:03,110 --> 01:19:59,520
where people i mean where planes were

2109
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,350
yes we had the small gray propeller

2110
01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:07,199
plane single plane

2111
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:10,120
on its own for eight hours uh that was

2112
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:13,360
z418 callsign snake 48

2113
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:16,639
and that was a shadow r1 aircraft which

2114
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:19,760
is an above top secret aircraft

2115
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:24,000
and then we had zg996 which was um an

2116
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,760
army reconnaissance and surveillance

2117
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:27,360
aircraft would come and take its place

2118
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:30,080
its call sign was jackal one

2119
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,440
and that would take his place and fly

2120
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:34,000
for eight hours so again we have the one

2121
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:36,880
aircraft in our airspace

2122
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,760
low and slow for three days and three

2123
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:41,280
nights

2124
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,199
um other people have noticed the e3

2125
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,600
sentry i didn't personally

2126
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:49,199
but apparently it was there on the

2127
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:50,960
thursday

2128
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:54,080
i didn't see it um but then

2129
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,199
i wasn't out looking at it either um

2130
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:59,679
i was more anticipating the sound of the

2131
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,320
smaller aircraft coming over my house

2132
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:05,360
approximately every 15 minutes

2133
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,639
which became quite annoying um

2134
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,159
because you anticipate when it's going

2135
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,080
to come back

2136
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:14,239
like an annoying fly you know that won't

2137
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:15,120
go away

2138
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,239
um so no um

2139
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,480
i haven't really spoken to other people

2140
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,080
somebody put the um

2141
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,639
paranormal scholar documentary on my

2142
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:26,560
local pen turk herb recently because

2143
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:28,000
that seems to have slipped through

2144
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,280
this shadow band that i'm under and

2145
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,800
one of the local residents actually made

2146
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,400
a comment to say that they had two

2147
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:38,000
armed guards on the gate for an entire

2148
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:39,199
week

2149
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:41,520
um i hadn't really noticed them because

2150
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:42,239
i haven't

2151
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,719
looked out there to be frank with you

2152
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,239
and as much as he said

2153
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,480
that they didn't stop him going through

2154
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:50,480
the gate with their dog

2155
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,679
um again when he walked past anybody

2156
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,120
everybody would stop what they were

2157
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,120
doing they really didn't want you to see

2158
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,600
or know what it was that they were doing

2159
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,159
um and there was no exercise ever listed

2160
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:04,159
for those people here

2161
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:08,400
ever to this date wow

2162
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,920
a question popped up here and there's uh

2163
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:13,679
you know there's controversy about

2164
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,040
what this called the pyramid um

2165
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,400
navy video um and this

2166
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,800
person just wondered have you actually

2167
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,639
seen that it's a green

2168
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,199
you know a night vision video that's uh

2169
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,199
floating around

2170
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,840
i have seen the video for me they're too

2171
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:33,760
far away to be able to positively

2172
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:36,880
identify them as being the same vehicle

2173
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:39,600
um i've also seen the one that's been

2174
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,400
was filmed

2175
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,960
over the pentagon by four separate

2176
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,239
witnesses

2177
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:46,560
and that's a little bit more like what i

2178
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,280
saw

2179
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:49,760
without the lights around it so i don't

2180
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,400
know if it had

2181
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,159
lights or not or if they'd switched them

2182
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,159
off but the one that i saw

2183
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:56,159
had red lights all the way around its

2184
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,440
perimeter

2185
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,840
and the the ones on the right hand side

2186
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,679
seemed to be the steering mechanism

2187
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:02,639
somehow

2188
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,639
for the ship so they were brighter um

2189
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,719
i know they weren't flares before

2190
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,400
anybody asked that we've already

2191
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,239
subjected a freedom of information

2192
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:14,080
request to the royal air force

2193
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,760
and they have told us that no flares

2194
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,360
were used that night

2195
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:19,280
so they don't do themselves any favors

2196
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:21,360
when trying to cover this up

2197
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,560
um they

2198
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:26,800
this was a full-size pyramid i don't

2199
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:28,960
know about the ones in the video

2200
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,600
um because they're too far away from me

2201
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,840
to be able to positively identify them

2202
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,600
as being pyramids even

2203
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:38,159
even though the pentagon have apparently

2204
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:40,080
admitted that they are

2205
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:43,280
um yes it could be the same craft

2206
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,400
what i saw was enormous and from that

2207
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,080
distance it's hard to judge

2208
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:51,040
how big those things are in the sky but

2209
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:52,639
from here

2210
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:55,760
that it was enormous at twice three

2211
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:59,040
times the length of a football pitch

2212
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:01,040
wow that's i was gonna ask that was my

2213
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,480
next question if you could give an

2214
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:04,080
estimate of how big you think this

2215
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:04,560
object

2216
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:08,560
was it was huge it was enormous it was

2217
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,280
majestic

2218
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,480
it was a full-sized pyramid how you'd

2219
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,400
envisage a pyramid to be

2220
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,960
is what i'm talking about but this was

2221
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,120
three-sided and not four-sided

2222
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:21,520
you know you say pyramid and think it's

2223
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,560
four-sided no

2224
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,199
it was three-sided and turning

2225
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,960
anti-clockwise

2226
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,440
and completely silent there was no noise

2227
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:31,440
from this thing no downdraft no

2228
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,280
nothing the same with the barrels

2229
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:35,199
completely silent

2230
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:38,480
completely however the the new witnesses

2231
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,120
that have come

2232
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:41,199
forward that saw the objects being

2233
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,280
pursued by the military

2234
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:46,000
said that one of them was making a sound

2235
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:46,480
um

2236
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:49,760
i didn't hear any sound here then

2237
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:53,199
i'd make a sound too if i was afraid

2238
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:56,560
because they were trying to hide how sad

2239
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,669
i hope i don't have to have bill take

2240
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:05,120
over for me but it's really

2241
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,800
it's been really uh my internet i can

2242
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,639
see it going in and out and i do

2243
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,840
apologize

2244
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,719
um and uh that was the main question i

2245
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:14,400
asked when i came to this hotel

2246
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,840
how was the internet and uh

2247
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,920
anyway it's it is disappointing

2248
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:21,600
hopefully we'll be able to continue on

2249
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,000
here

2250
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:24,880
i think what i'm gonna do is open up um

2251
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:25,360
open

2252
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:28,800
a line for uh phone calls

2253
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,080
so anyone can give a call and ask uh

2254
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,960
questions for our guests and that uh

2255
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:36,480
phone number is

2256
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,709
neighbor there that contacted me today i

2257
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:48,480
say neighbor he lives 15 miles or so

2258
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,120
away

2259
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,040
uh to see if he could stay up late and

2260
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:53,120
call in so we'll see if he happens to do

2261
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:55,120
that so again the lines are open

2262
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:57,280
eight five five four seven two five four

2263
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,159
eight three

2264
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:01,280
and uh mary grace had a question up

2265
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:09,750
do you feel uh free to be emboldened

2266
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,320
because

2267
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,880
you feel protected by the recent entity

2268
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,560
entity visitations

2269
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:17,679
do you understand the question yeah

2270
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,800
um you know i really do feel

2271
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:23,120
in some respects that there is some

2272
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,239
divine intervention going on somewhere

2273
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,679
you know everything that i've planned to

2274
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,000
do seems to be coming through

2275
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,920
and my path seems to be being cleared

2276
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,000
for me

2277
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,000
you know i was afraid for the first 18

2278
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,709
when they asked me to tell the world

2279
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,199
what i witnessed there

2280
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,440
to come to terms with that knowing what

2281
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:47,679
it would mean for me

2282
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,719
i was too afraid to speak out but now

2283
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:52,000
i'm resigned

2284
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:55,280
to that and i believe the more public i

2285
01:27:03,669 --> 01:26:56,639
am

2286
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,149
but you know accidents happen all the

2287
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:08,719
time martin

2288
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:11,760
so if something does you know

2289
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,280
i hope this to be my legacy if you like

2290
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,040
i know lots of people have tried before

2291
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,760
me to get disclosure

2292
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,840
but i'm not leaving this i'm trying this

2293
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:23,600
like a court case

2294
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,560
i am going to prove what happened here

2295
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:27,840
with the evidence

2296
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,639
not necessarily what i say the evidence

2297
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,480
will prove it i mean

2298
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:34,400
gary jones who was the lead investigator

2299
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:35,760
into this case

2300
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:38,480
didn't believe it until he investigated

2301
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,760
it

2302
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,639
so to turn a skeptic into a believer

2303
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:44,960
should tell you that the evidence is

2304
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:48,320
compelling and extra it's really strong

2305
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:51,520
and it's growing every single day

2306
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:55,920
every day yeah okay well we have

2307
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:00,800
seth um seth is from the usa and he's uh

2308
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,080
he's not going to tell us where he's

2309
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,920
from i guess i don't know if that's a

2310
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:05,520
good sign or bad sign welcome to the

2311
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:11,910
hi hi you have a question for our guest

2312
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,400
tonight

2313
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:15,840
oh yeah it yeah i have a question

2314
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:17,520
has she tried reaching out to george

2315
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:18,880
knapp

2316
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:23,360
or uh luis elizondo about this

2317
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,400
hi seth um actually the first person

2318
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:30,239
that i spoke to was linda martin how

2319
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:33,280
on coast coast because i believe that

2320
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,159
this needed a serious platform

2321
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:38,159
i also believe that the radiation

2322
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:40,639
evidence has been sent to george knapp

2323
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,600
the analysis so he may be in receipt of

2324
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,199
that already

2325
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:48,080
um because i do believe that he helped

2326
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:49,120
bob lazar

2327
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,360
with element 115 and this is element 100

2328
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:55,360
that's been found here in huge

2329
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,560
quantities

2330
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:58,639
so we will have to wait and see on that

2331
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,990
anything else seth and uh uh yes

2332
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:08,480
uh does she know who louis uh louise

2333
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:11,760
louis elizondo is

2334
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:15,040
um i've heard the name um but i'm not

2335
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:18,800
entirely sure no i'm not a ufologist i

2336
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:21,920
i'm just a witness um well he was ahead

2337
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,830
yeah um she's

2338
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,679
she hasn't really looked into the ufo

2339
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,040
top that much

2340
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:35,520
stuff so um that's why she's not

2341
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:36,159
familiar

2342
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:37,760
with with him but i do appreciate the

2343
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:40,480
call thank you

2344
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:43,040
hey thank you all all right thank you

2345
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,520
and

2346
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,840
we have another uh call on uh caller on

2347
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:46,880
hold right now

2348
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:49,360
um just to let you know since you are

2349
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:50,560
kind of on the outside

2350
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:53,360
and i i get in trouble every time i say

2351
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,239
this but i don't

2352
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:57,360
i don't think there's uh the bob lazar

2353
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,080
story

2354
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,560
i'm not really uh convinced at all that

2355
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:02,639
uh bob lazar was involved in what he's

2356
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:05,360
he's in but it but i still have a lot of

2357
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,520
respect for a george knapp

2358
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:09,760
anyway we're moving and i'll i'll get

2359
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:11,440
email for saying what i just did but

2360
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:12,560
that's okay

2361
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:14,480
joni's on the line from pennsylvania

2362
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,430
hi hi martin hi kaz i think you're a

2363
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:23,440
very brave lady

2364
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:26,639
i and um have you ever contacted

2365
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:29,760
linda moldenhau she's a news reporter

2366
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:30,159
who

2367
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,199
investigates this sort of thing uh

2368
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:35,199
she just she just talked about that i'm

2369
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:36,320
sorry you

2370
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:39,840
missed it yeah she was the first lady i

2371
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:40,960
spoke to about it

2372
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,800
because i believed this needed a serious

2373
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:44,320
platform yes

2374
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:46,239
so you probably turned off you were

2375
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,679
probably doing the right thing joanie

2376
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:49,440
which is turning off your

2377
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,920
your uh the computer while you're

2378
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:53,199
sitting there on hold

2379
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:55,120
which was very nice of you but she did

2380
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:56,880
speak about that yes do you happen to

2381
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:02,550
um have you ever talked to anybody from

2382
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:04,880
the bbc about this

2383
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:09,120
hmm good question the bbc contacted me

2384
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:11,120
um with a program they were going to do

2385
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:13,600
called the unexplainers

2386
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:16,000
and it's actually hosted by two

2387
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:17,679
comedians

2388
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,800
and i turn them down because they're two

2389
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:22,400
comedians and because

2390
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:25,679
this needs a serious platform and not to

2391
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:27,440
be ridiculed

2392
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:30,239
um the bbc never really give you a

2393
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,080
straight answer

2394
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:34,320
uh but i have been in contact with other

2395
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:35,840
tv companies

2396
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:38,719
since um and i really don't believe the

2397
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:51,669
no well i heard about this on a bbc

2398
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:52,560
program

2399
01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:54,159
but they said they didn't know anything

2400
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:04,550
huh

2401
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,550
i missed that last bit it it may have

2402
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:08,639
been the particular host

2403
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:11,280
of that was asked the question i you

2404
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:12,639
know i mean that's a possibility

2405
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:21,590
all right thank you um someone posted uh

2406
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:23,120
sent me a text and they wondered if you

2407
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,800
had ever contacted

2408
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:26,560
nick pope about this are you familiar

2409
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:33,910
i am uh yes familiar with who pope is

2410
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:37,280
i did try to contact him but

2411
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:40,400
unfortunately nick pope will always

2412
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:43,600
be ruled by the official secrets act

2413
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:46,159
and will be for the rest of his life so

2414
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:47,840
he can only ever talk about

2415
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:51,040
what they say he can to be honest

2416
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,310
yes um we have a i have a friend of the

2417
01:33:02,709 --> 01:32:59,520
show um i

2418
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:02,719
do speak with him quite often and his

2419
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:06,159
his main focus for many years was uh

2420
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:09,840
you know a pyramid shaper or triangle

2421
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:11,199
ufos

2422
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:14,239
and so uh uh there was a question in

2423
01:33:17,669 --> 01:33:15,679
chat someone wanted to know

2424
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,679
have you ever heard of dave marlar or

2425
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:19,199
you know this is really a case dave

2426
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:20,080
marlar

2427
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,239
may be interested in he lives in the

2428
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,520
united states

2429
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,760
in new mexico he's an excellent

2430
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:27,520
researcher of course

2431
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:30,800
many miles away from you but uh i will i

2432
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:33,520
will ask him about this

2433
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:36,159
and see if he's ever done any type of

2434
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:38,239
research at all on it

2435
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:41,920
i think um you mentioned earlier about

2436
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:44,800
i'm guessing your neighbor david or this

2437
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:46,400
person named david

2438
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:49,520
and how he is reluctant to come out and

2439
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:50,560
talk about it

2440
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:53,679
do you think there will be a day uh

2441
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:57,440
down the road where he will feel more

2442
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:00,639
available to talk about this i think so

2443
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:02,080
in the future

2444
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:07,199
when his child is old enough um

2445
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:08,960
i do think he will come out and speak

2446
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:10,960
then

2447
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:14,400
but whilst he's still a child

2448
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:17,760
um i think he has that that he would

2449
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:18,880
need to protect

2450
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:22,639
his child um and

2451
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:26,560
for somebody to go that low to threaten

2452
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:29,840
his kid you know is yeah he's

2453
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:31,840
overprotective but i think when his

2454
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,920
child is of an age

2455
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:35,520
where he wouldn't have to worry about

2456
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:37,120
them

2457
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:39,280
i am sure that he will come out and

2458
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:40,560
stand by my side

2459
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:43,440
yes yeah um someone you know made a good

2460
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:44,159
point here

2461
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:46,639
nick pope was out of the job you know

2462
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,000
for a long time

2463
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:50,560
um when this happened so he could i mean

2464
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:52,000
i'm he likes to

2465
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,360
talk about cases even recent cases

2466
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:57,840
when it comes to ufos so i'm surprised

2467
01:35:03,430 --> 01:34:58,719
he's not

2468
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:05,430
i'd like the nip pope to stand up and

2469
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:08,639
talk about it i tried to contact him

2470
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:12,840
um but to no avail unfortunately

2471
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,440
yeah he

2472
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,440
it's almost like you have to i mean i i

2473
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,520
know i've met him and and uh

2474
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:21,520
had him on the show for a few minutes

2475
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:22,800
before and

2476
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:25,840
um he is tricky he he usually answers

2477
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:26,719
emails

2478
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,159
but he usually just um you know declines

2479
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:32,960
whatever you're going to ask him

2480
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:36,639
so yeah but anyway uh we have

2481
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,199
someone that's going to try to give you

2482
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:40,960
more publicity

2483
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:43,119
out there that someone i know in in chat

2484
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:44,719
has made a note

2485
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:46,960
but anyway i think it's all very

2486
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:48,639
interesting and

2487
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:50,719
you know i'm just surprised i really am

2488
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:52,400
surprised that

2489
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:56,080
it's not one case that you you just

2490
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,760
don't hear about this

2491
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:59,760
like out there like you do so many other

2492
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:00,800
cases that are

2493
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:03,920
this one seems so extraordinary compared

2494
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:04,880
to

2495
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,080
some mundane cases that are in the news

2496
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,480
a lot

2497
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:13,040
this was real you know the military were

2498
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,400
involved

2499
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:16,320
they shot down and retrieved the craft

2500
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:18,159
without any doubt

2501
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,000
they sent a clean-up crew here

2502
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:22,080
afterwards

2503
01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:23,520
god only knows what they were looking

2504
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,119
for but i believe that anything that

2505
01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:27,199
traverses through space

2506
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:30,159
will drag things with it whether that be

2507
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,199
rocks or debris of some kind

2508
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:35,760
hence the fingertip search in a real

2509
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:39,040
situation not an exercise

2510
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:40,480
they have tried to suppress the

2511
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,080
information

2512
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:44,080
the military were at community level

2513
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:45,760
from the off

2514
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,280
um infiltrating local community herbs

2515
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:51,360
not even members of the community and

2516
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:53,920
you have to be to be part of the herb

2517
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:56,239
putting in the single one-liner it's a

2518
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:58,000
military exercise

2519
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,119
that nobody questioned with no follow-up

2520
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:04,080
before anybody else was told it was a

2521
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:05,440
military exercise

2522
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:08,560
so how did these people know you know

2523
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,440
it's

2524
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:11,920
they were in from ground level i was

2525
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,679
interrogated by the mainstream

2526
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:16,239
and told to stay silent which i did for

2527
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:17,920
18 months

2528
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,000
until swansea ufo network became

2529
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:21,840
involved

2530
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,040
um and when they leaked

2531
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:27,600
the story shall we say or the incident

2532
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:30,080
because that is not a story

2533
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,360
that's when i was approached by the

2534
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:33,280
military the ministry of defence

2535
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,480
and i was threatened you know i've had

2536
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:38,000
the ministry of defense turn up at one

2537
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:39,520
of my presentations

2538
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:42,320
as members of my audience and tell me to

2539
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,440
my face they know

2540
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,119
i said well i know they know i was there

2541
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:47,280
i saw it and if they weren't in control

2542
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:50,480
who was and nato was here so how big was

2543
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:51,520
this operation

2544
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,560
who was involved um

2545
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,880
because this had to be multiple

2546
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:58,480
countries

2547
01:38:02,229 --> 01:38:00,840
this has to involve the entire world in

2548
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:02,239
fact

2549
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:05,760
and not just the uk this is something

2550
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:13,189
uh yeah it seems along that way

2551
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:16,320
someone wanted me to ask you wait a

2552
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,840
minute we do have a caller

2553
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:20,239
yes we do have a caller but just real

2554
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:21,119
quickly

2555
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:30,629
yes i can

2556
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,679
a lady called jessica morgan flynn who

2557
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:35,760
worked for wells online

2558
01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,960
contacted me via my facebook page asking

2559
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,800
me to contact her

2560
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,320
because of the comments that i've made

2561
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,360
about the military that night

2562
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:47,760
which i did i thought perhaps foolishly

2563
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:50,320
that she was after the real story

2564
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:54,080
and she wasn't it was an interrogation

2565
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:57,040
she wanted to know if i had any footage

2566
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:58,560
any photographs

2567
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:01,440
who i'd spoken to and how i had spoken

2568
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:02,560
to these people

2569
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:06,719
specifically was it email chat boxes

2570
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:10,639
taxes telephone calls the list went on

2571
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,800
and the questioning went on for over an

2572
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:15,600
hour this wasn't

2573
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:18,639
an interview this was an interrogation

2574
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:22,400
and the questions were laid out for him

2575
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,520
um well since then i have since found

2576
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:26,960
out

2577
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,600
that jessica morgan flynn having served

2578
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:31,679
15 years and three months for

2579
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:34,800
as a reporter for wales online

2580
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:37,280
is now the communications officer for

2581
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,840
the national health service and more

2582
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,080
specifically

2583
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,960
the royal club morgan hospital so any

2584
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,880
freedom of information requests going

2585
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:46,320
into the hospital

2586
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,840
will be answered by her nice neat little

2587
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,520
bundle there to tie up all the loose

2588
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:54,320
ends for the ministry of defense i think

2589
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:56,719
because they have never been able to get

2590
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:58,400
their stories straight

2591
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,080
the first freedom of information

2592
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:02,320
requests we subjected them to they told

2593
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,560
us they knew absolutely nothing

2594
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:07,280
about military exercise and since then

2595
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,760
i've tried to backfill

2596
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,920
um but even they can't get their dates

2597
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:13,440
right or

2598
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,400
or anything so now if i subject the

2599
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:18,239
royal morgan hospital to a freedom of

2600
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:20,000
information and i will be

2601
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:22,960
in the near future um it'll be jessica

2602
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:30,790
interesting uh we have jeff on the line

2603
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:37,830
hi martin thanks for having me you bet

2604
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,719
thank you for

2605
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,480
calling in you have a question for our

2606
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,800
guest tonight

2607
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,960
yes cavs this is jeff kingsbury from

2608
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:46,800
strange recon podcast you just did a

2609
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:47,199
comment

2610
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,000
yeah good to have you along yes

2611
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:53,920
my question for you is i since you were

2612
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:55,760
on our show we have had

2613
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,080
one or we've had two different emails

2614
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:00,080
come in basically every day

2615
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:03,440
the first one being why have you

2616
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,880
not been on as many uh british or uk

2617
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:09,119
podcasts why did why do why does

2618
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:10,719
everyone over in the uk have to find you

2619
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:12,639
on american podcast and the second one

2620
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:13,600
being

2621
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,840
is can you please reconcile with the

2622
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:18,400
public

2623
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:21,520
your security background i get an email

2624
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,199
about once a day or once every other day

2625
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:25,199
claiming that your senior security makes

2626
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,080
you

2627
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,840
uh makes it hard for people to believe

2628
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:29,760
what you're actually saying can you

2629
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:32,800
reconcile that for the public

2630
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,159
i don't know what you want me to say

2631
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,239
really um

2632
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:39,199
yes i worked security and yes i was the

2633
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,719
area supervisor

2634
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,320
for wales and the west of england for a

2635
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:44,239
reputable firm and that's

2636
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,080
all i can say about that um

2637
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,239
as for not being able to get on british

2638
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,080
podcasts

2639
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:54,400
as i said this this information has been

2640
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:56,560
suppressed it's only now it's started to

2641
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:57,840
leak out

2642
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,360
and i have done some interviews on um

2643
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,800
british podcasts uh

2644
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,480
and hopefully i'll be doing some more

2645
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,119
but primarily that's not my interest

2646
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,880
my interest is with protein government

2647
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,239
and having something done in the real

2648
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:14,000
world about this

2649
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:21,350
gotcha just to finish up there uh thank

2650
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:22,480
you very much for answering the question

2651
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:23,040
guys

2652
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,560
uh was there anything that happened

2653
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,560
between the time of the event

2654
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:29,760
and say like recently that might have

2655
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,760
prevented like anything happened on live

2656
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:33,199
news interview or anything at all

2657
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,080
because

2658
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,159
people are seemingly always want to know

2659
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:37,920
why they can't find you and

2660
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:41,119
are you suggesting there is a actual uh

2661
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,119
campaign to suppress anything that you

2662
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:44,639
have to say about the

2663
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:47,520
event do you think it's happening yes it

2664
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:47,920
is

2665
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:50,080
evidence of the cover-up i explained

2666
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:51,600
earlier during the show

2667
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:54,560
that a friend of mine uh had done a

2668
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,760
search on youtube

2669
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:57,840
for the pentoc ufo instant and the

2670
01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:59,600
number of searches for the pen turkey

2671
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:01,920
ufo instant and it came up as a big fat

2672
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,800
zero

2673
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:04,800
but as you know the paranormal scholar

2674
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:07,280
uh small documentary that they did has

2675
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:08,400
had over 500

2676
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,360
000 views now so that that can't

2677
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,119
possibly be true

2678
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,840
um but yes it is still being suppressed

2679
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:18,080
by google by youtube by facebook by

2680
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,199
bitchute

2681
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:21,440
just to name a handful of the massive

2682
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,159
search engines that are involved in this

2683
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,119
you know um it is being suppressed

2684
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,960
because it was real

2685
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,639
this is the thing because it was so

2686
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,639
recent and it was real and it

2687
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,199
you know involved the military over the

2688
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:37,119
a residential area

2689
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:39,119
and they shut these things down it's

2690
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,480
absolutely true

2691
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,480
and they're trying to silence it and

2692
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:44,719
i'll never be silenced unless they do it

2693
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:47,040
and if something does happen to me i'm

2694
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,400
resigned to that fact

2695
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:50,560
that if they do decide to do that to me

2696
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,080
at least the people will know

2697
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,560
this was real and that i put myself out

2698
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:56,880
there it's my neck that's on the line

2699
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:59,119
because i think this is so important

2700
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:00,000
that the people

2701
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,470
thank you amazing yeah thank you very

2702
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:08,000
much i appreciate the uh answering the

2703
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,679
question thank you very much martin for

2704
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,440
running the show for us all thank you

2705
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,040
jeff you bet

2706
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:15,440
take care now thanks all right we have

2707
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:16,320
another caller

2708
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:19,679
on hold marv from new york welcome to

2709
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:20,080
the show

2710
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:23,920
marv hi martin hi kaz

2711
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:26,800
uh great show thank you i just have uh

2712
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,760
two uh

2713
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:30,159
two brief questions for kaz um and then

2714
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:32,320
i'll take my answer off the air

2715
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:35,520
um could you describe the pyramid

2716
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:38,639
was it like a metallic object or was it

2717
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:39,920
like glowing from

2718
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:43,440
inside or how is it illuminated i know

2719
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,639
you said there was

2720
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:46,560
red lights around the perimeter but was

2721
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:48,080
it actually glowing

2722
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,920
or anything like that and then the

2723
01:44:54,149 --> 01:44:51,360
second question

2724
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:54,159
is the um those orbs or barrels that you

2725
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,920
mentioned whatever happened to them did

2726
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:56,880
they

2727
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:00,800
pyramid

2728
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:04,159
on the

2729
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,360
outer extremes of the edges if you like

2730
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,040
with red lights

2731
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:11,760
and when it illuminated fully i could

2732
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:14,080
see the texture of the craft and it

2733
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:17,840
resembled a rock face uh of stone

2734
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:19,199
you know you could see the pits and

2735
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:21,040
falls in it but

2736
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,880
other than that i didn't see any windows

2737
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:24,639
and it didn't illuminate in any

2738
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,159
any way as for the barrel shaped objects

2739
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:30,400
after they left me

2740
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:33,760
we do have other witnesses that saw

2741
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:37,119
a cluster of those green objects

2742
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:38,960
being pursued by military jets and

2743
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:41,520
helicopters west of here

2744
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:44,000
um i mean they closed the entire welsh

2745
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:45,840
airspace that night

2746
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:49,520
and all the roads and the the motorways

2747
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:53,199
um i've now got two new witnesses that

2748
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,600
have come

2749
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:55,600
forward to said their helicopters were

2750
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:59,119
chasing down and hunting these things

2751
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:00,960
i believe that they were all destroyed

2752
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:02,960
eventually i know that one was

2753
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:05,360
shot down over clanches and common that

2754
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:08,000
crashed into smile of woods

2755
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:11,360
um but other than that i would like to

2756
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,000
think that they got

2757
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:14,639
away but they had military aircraft up

2758
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,639
to 50 miles out

2759
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,280
and you know i jokingly said well what

2760
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:21,040
the military were waiting

2761
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:23,119
for me was for me to drop my hankie in

2762
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:24,719
the field to start this

2763
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:27,280
multi-million pound exercise with

2764
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:28,080
aircraft

2765
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,840
up to 50 miles out they couldn't have

2766
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,199
possibly seen me

2767
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:33,679
and yet i can pinpoint the exact time

2768
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:34,320
that everything

2769
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:38,080
started moving in so they had nowhere to

2770
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:39,840
go it wouldn't matter in which direction

2771
01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:40,960
they went

2772
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,400
they would have come face to face with

2773
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:44,159
military aircraft

2774
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:47,440
this operation was huge

2775
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:50,800
i hope that answers some questions

2776
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:54,159
yes um thank you very much thank you

2777
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:55,920
thanks anything else

2778
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,440
uh marv um that that's it um

2779
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:01,840
there's there was some comments i read

2780
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:02,800
in the chat

2781
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,639
where people had mentioned that it was

2782
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,040
like a hologram or something the pyramid

2783
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,000
but it's you're from your perspective it

2784
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:12,159
was a solid

2785
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,560
object it looked stoned to me like it

2786
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:20,320
was made of rock

2787
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:24,320
but um a hologram can't scarn you

2788
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:28,159
a hologram can't make you feel that way

2789
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:36,950
right thank you very much thank you all

2790
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:37,520
right

2791
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,350
um now there's a question that popped up

2792
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,880
here have you had

2793
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:46,880
oh had you had any run with the uk

2794
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:50,800
government or military before this event

2795
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:54,560
no no that's all

2796
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:56,159
you seem to know your way around pretty

2797
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,080
well i mean it's it seems like you've

2798
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:00,080
figured it out pretty well

2799
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:03,360
on on how to get the foyers you know the

2800
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:04,000
freedom of

2801
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:07,280
information and um you're going at this

2802
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:08,800
thing pretty aggressively

2803
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:12,320
which is good because it was real

2804
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:15,280
and and really um i have gary jones to

2805
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:16,239
thank for that

2806
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:18,800
because he is an investigator and he

2807
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,440
knows about emf and radiation and foyers

2808
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:24,000
and you know all the other seismic

2809
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:25,760
things and geological surveys and

2810
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,960
everything else that he's done the

2811
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,480
military timeline

2812
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,880
you know the radar returns these are all

2813
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:32,880
down to gary jones

2814
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,639
um you know i do help him

2815
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,239
with the questions because they're

2816
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,920
designed in a way

2817
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,480
to get lies out of people you know i put

2818
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,159
the minister of defense on the stand and

2819
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:46,000
i kept them lying

2820
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,400
not once not twice but three times and

2821
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:50,719
so far it's seven times now

2822
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:52,960
you know i passed three lie detectors

2823
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:54,800
are you gonna believe

2824
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:56,719
even if you dismiss my lie detector

2825
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:58,960
please look at the evidence

2826
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:02,000
you know be my judge be my jewelry

2827
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,639
i ask people to to look at the evidence

2828
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,639
and see it for themselves

2829
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,880
with an open mind and then decide

2830
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,480
regardless even if you were to take the

2831
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,480
ufo out of the situation

2832
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,719
look at the evidence something happened

2833
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:15,840
here

2834
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,040
and it was huge right

2835
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:22,239
um this is a question from the gentleman

2836
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:23,920
that connected me

2837
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:26,320
uh and thanks for that by the way can

2838
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:27,360
you verify

2839
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,360
that google earth has blocked the

2840
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:31,119
satellite image from

2841
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,239
the date yes

2842
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,239
uh google earth has blocked the image

2843
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:38,080
for an entire week

2844
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:41,360
um i think it's nasa earthwatch and for

2845
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,280
the week proceeding up into

2846
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:46,480
and including the 26th of february 2016

2847
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,599
the screens go completely black every

2848
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:51,360
single day for a whole week

2849
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:53,599
the screens are black and then on the

2850
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:56,000
27th of february 2016

2851
01:50:02,790 --> 01:49:59,760
they go back to normal and this is

2852
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:02,800
you know the cover-up continues all

2853
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:05,280
low-level flying exercises for example

2854
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:06,000
have all been

2855
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:13,189
just all lots of evidence there's

2856
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:16,719
evidence of absence shall we say um

2857
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:20,080
where things have been removed

2858
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,719
we only have about four minutes left um

2859
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:24,239
a question was text

2860
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:27,840
to me was there any us military

2861
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:30,960
personnel involved or simply uk

2862
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:33,520
and have you been followed or noticed

2863
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:39,189
i don't know if there were any military

2864
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,639
uh from the u.s

2865
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:42,880
that were involved that night although

2866
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:43,840
it was a joint

2867
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:46,960
operation so there could have been

2868
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:50,159
um i don't know

2869
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:55,040
if i've been surveilled uh

2870
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,800
i've had some strange things happen to

2871
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:58,320
me um

2872
01:51:02,070 --> 01:51:00,560
since the event and very shortly after

2873
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:02,080
the event

2874
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:05,840
um when i was nearly rammed off the road

2875
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:09,440
but that's that's another story

2876
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:12,159
and i don't leave home without security

2877
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:13,840
of my own

2878
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:15,280
and that's the truth if i have to go

2879
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,719
anywhere i have to take a close

2880
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:18,719
protection officer with me

2881
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:21,920
so i am quite vigilant um

2882
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:24,960
because i am aware very aware

2883
01:51:29,109 --> 01:51:26,960
of what's going on and what's likely to

2884
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:29,119
happen to me

2885
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:32,639
but that is a cross that i have to bear

2886
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:35,920
and i'm prepared to do that because

2887
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:38,639
no one's going to threaten my children

2888
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:39,840
no one

2889
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:42,400
that was there one mistake to threaten

2890
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:43,360
my children

2891
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,000
because now i'll die for my kids

2892
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,560
truth has to come out and i will treat

2893
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:53,360
this exactly like a court case

2894
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:56,159
um i'm doing this in the real world i

2895
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:57,280
want people to know

2896
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:01,199
this was real i'm collating the evidence

2897
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,159
i'm finding the facts and even though

2898
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,679
they've deleted some things there are

2899
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,000
some things that they have overlooked

2900
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,560
and they cannot answer my latest for

2901
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:12,639
freedom of information requests

2902
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,800
if they answer in the positive on one

2903
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:16,239
they'll get caught out lying on the

2904
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:16,800
other

2905
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,400
and vice versa because they're liars

2906
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:22,880
yeah and the trigger will always go down

2907
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:24,400
we only have two minutes left

2908
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:27,679
and kerry davis is the gentleman that

2909
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:29,679
contacted me that lives about 15 miles

2910
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:30,000
away

2911
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:32,719
from you right so uh do you have a

2912
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:34,880
personal opinion on how the military

2913
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:37,360
knew this craft was going to arrive

2914
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,360
in the pinter uh location again we have

2915
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:44,080
uh well we only have a minute left so

2916
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:45,520
all right whatever you can my personal

2917
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,159
opinion

2918
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,159
is that these things are coming from the

2919
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:50,159
sagittarius dwarf galaxy which is only

2920
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:51,840
visible

2921
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,760
the shadow r1 which is the above top

2922
01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:55,840
secret aircraft has been fitted with a

2923
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,159
state-of-the-art infrared systems

2924
01:53:01,830 --> 01:52:59,840
so i think they could see this thing

2925
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:01,840
coming in infrared

2926
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:03,920
um and that's how come they knew it was

2927
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:05,360
coming

2928
01:53:10,430 --> 01:53:08,480
uh the sagittarius wolf galaxy

2929
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,440
exists in the same space and time as we

2930
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:12,480
do uh

2931
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,440
and these things like ufos seem to

2932
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:17,280
appear and disappear

2933
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,440
it's because they're traveling from one

2934
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,199
dimension to another or from bbc one to

2935
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,199
bbc two if you like like would love

2936
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,520
we live on one tv channel and they live

2937
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:27,440
on the other and they have the ability

2938
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,040
to be able to reverse into this

2939
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,440
channel if you like uh using the

2940
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:36,000
conduits on earth

2941
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,599
thank you so much it's been really a

2942
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:39,119
pleasure talking to you and

2943
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,599
i can feel you very passionate about

2944
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:43,360
this i hope you've some movement forward

2945
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:44,639
and things go your way

2946
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:46,159
but we have to we have to call it a

2947
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:47,920
night thanks so much

2948
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:51,360
thank you all right take care all right

2949
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:53,599
everyone uh next week we have a

2950
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:54,880
interesting show

2951
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:58,000
and the guests are matthew roberts from

2952
01:54:04,390 --> 01:53:58,400
the

2953
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,400
and kevin ganooth after him so i'm

2954
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:06,320
looking forward to that one and uh it

2955
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,080
was a great night i appreciate

2956
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:10,320
everyone that listens to the show and

2957
01:54:25,770 --> 01:54:12,880
remember to keep your eyes